From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <92606a17ce255a2e74049e4090d948b3@proxima.alt.za> <36c5eca0f06e9acbe2fac19067f457d8@ladd.quanstro.net> <20140519195016.B21E6B827@mail.bitblocks.com> <3a6dcbf0845989d60e627ad4e5df4313@ladd.quanstro.net> <3A01CE35-B176-4A24-B3D4-24AB0874BB48@9srv.net> <1c303148ec8dc74c876330176c2fa54c@mikro.quanstro.net> Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 18:21:29 -0700 Message-ID: From: Skip Tavakkolian To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd6c4e4ec3cd804f9ded0d3 Subject: Re: [9fans] syscall 53 Topicbox-Message-UUID: eaa312ce-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --047d7bd6c4e4ec3cd804f9ded0d3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 my Plan 9 environment is the only one that i feel i know and have control over; i don't feel the same about my (Canonical's) ubuntu desktop, my (Google's) chromebook, my (Apple's) macbook, my (T-Mobile/Google's) android phone, etc, etc, precisely because of auto-update. i appreciate that they want to be my sysadm, but it means that i'm no longer an informed consumer. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 9:41 AM, ron minnich wrote: > I have a different perspective. There are millions of chromebooks out > there updating all the time, from the firmware to the kernel to the > root file system to everything. It all works. > > If you are telling me that the upgrade technology of Plan 9 can not > handle an automatic upgrade, fine; we have the proof. > > If you are telling me Plan 9 should not or never will be able to > handle an automatic upgrade, and is going to require a heads up email > for each kernel change, I have a hard time taking that seriously. > > This is not a human communication problem. It's a technology problem, > trivially solved for many years now by many systems. > > ron > > --047d7bd6c4e4ec3cd804f9ded0d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
my Plan 9 environment is the only one that i feel i know a= nd have control over; i don't feel the same about my (Canonical's) = ubuntu desktop, my (Google's) chromebook, my (Apple's) macbook, my = (T-Mobile/Google's) android phone, etc, etc, precisely because of auto-= update. =C2=A0i appreciate that they want to be my sysadm, but it means tha= t i'm no longer an informed consumer.


On Tue, May 2= 0, 2014 at 9:41 AM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:=
I have a different perspective. There are millions of chromebooks out
there updating all the time, from the firmware to the kernel to the
root file system to everything. It all works.

If you are telling me that the upgrade technology of Plan 9 can not
handle an automatic upgrade, fine; we have the proof.

If you are telling me Plan 9 should not or never will be able to
handle an automatic upgrade, and is going to require a heads up email
for each kernel change, I have a hard time taking that seriously.

This is not a human communication problem. It's a technology problem, trivially solved for many years now by many systems.

ron


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