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Sat, 19 Feb 2022 09:18:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <33881A44-3016-432E-AA81-54ED41E32000@9srv.net> <98804c9e-140d-4a3f-9446-bc5c152119ba@sirjofri.de> <8635keal1r.fsf@cmarib.ramside> In-Reply-To: <8635keal1r.fsf@cmarib.ramside> From: Marshall Conover Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2022 12:18:26 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: Plan 9 applying to GSoC To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00000000000094c4e005d8623078 Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: fd01abd8-91a7-11ec-9384-b76d8aed6dc3 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UZDQ0NDllZGM0ODYzZTE2ZS1NNzA5ODQ0MzE2YzczZDZlZmVjN2Qx?= =?UTF-8?B?OTBiPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M709844316c73d6efec7d190b:1:H8q8RQd8ZqPcFVQaNZrHXRSgAg1L7tGl9zFMbj542kI --00000000000094c4e005d8623078 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Adding a +1 for sirjofri's idea 3, which seems like it would be achievable, has clear objectives, and a compelling result. For idea 4, a notable utility is pipefile - https://9p.io/magic/man2html/1/pipefile. It allows you to stitch a command in-between the reading and/or writing of a file. It'd be worth eyeballing and considering for the purposes you're thinking of, and may provide a jumping-off point. Cheers, Marshall On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 11:33 AM wrote: > sirjofri writes: > > > (3) A high-level filesystem interface for UI widgets. Many modern UI > > layouts can be described as a hierarchy of containers. The UI > > filesystem would start as an empty window, which is reflected by an > > empty filesystem. The user could create widget containers (hbox, vbox) > > by creating directories and files, as well as input boxes, buttons and > > more by creating files. The hierarchy would directly reflect the drawn > > window. The user can listen to files for button interaction and write > > text to labels etc.. >=20 > Ballastero(sp?) and lsub's Octopus (Omero? O-something) does something > like this. With it, you can tar/untar a Tk UI from one system to > another. IIRC, it was implemented with Inferno. Since I is similiar to > 9, it probably wouldn't be too hard to port. ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Td4449edc4863e16e-M70984= 4316c73d6efec7d190b Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription --00000000000094c4e005d8623078 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Adding a +1 for sirjofri's idea 3, wh= ich seems like it would be achievable, has clear objectives, and a compelli= ng result.

For idea 4, a notable utility is pip= efile - https://9p.io/m= agic/man2html/1/pipefile. It allows you to stitch a command in-between = the reading and/or writing of a file. It'd be worth eyeballing and cons= idering for the purposes you're thinking of, and may provide a jumping= -off point.

Cheers,

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Marshall

On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 11:33 AM <cigar562hfsp952fans@icebubble.or= g> wrote:
sirjofri <sirjofri+ml-9fans@sirjofri.de> writes:

> (3) A high-level filesystem interface for UI widgets. Many modern UI > layouts can be described as a hierarchy of containers. The UI
> filesystem would start as an empty window, which is reflected by an > empty filesystem. The user could create widget containers (hbox, vbox)=
> by creating directories and files, as well as input boxes, buttons and=
> more by creating files. The hierarchy would directly reflect the drawn=
> window. The user can listen to files for button interaction and write<= br /> > text to labels etc..

Ballastero(sp?) and lsub's Octopus (Omero?  O-something) does some= thing
like this.  With it, you can tar/untar a Tk UI from one system to
another.  IIRC, it was implemented with Inferno.  Since I is simi= liar to
9, it probably wouldn't be too hard to port.

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