From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Charlie Lin Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 13:48:25 -0500 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c08cd565d34870548fab593 Subject: [9fans] Update APE Topicbox-Message-UUID: b42e6d3c-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --94eb2c08cd565d34870548fab593 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Since the POSIX standard is updated to POSIX.1-2008 with the 2016 TC, the commands should be updated as well. Also, how to submit either a patch or a contribution? --94eb2c08cd565d34870548fab593 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
Since the POSIX standard is updated to POSIX.1-2008 with the 2016 TC, the commands should be updated as well.

Also, how to submit either a patch or a contribution?
--94eb2c08cd565d34870548fab593-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Jens Staal Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 20:49:10 +0100 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11406780bc2fd90548fb8ef0 Subject: Re: [9fans] Update APE Topicbox-Message-UUID: b43b921e-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --001a11406780bc2fd90548fb8ef0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 If someone could backport apex from Harvey, that would be cool. Den 20 feb. 2017 19:50 skrev "Charlie Lin" : > Since the POSIX standard is updated to POSIX.1-2008 with the 2016 TC, the > commands should be updated as well. > > Also, how to submit either a patch or a contribution? > --001a11406780bc2fd90548fb8ef0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If someone could backport apex from Harvey, that would be= cool.

Den 2= 0 feb. 2017 19:50 skrev "Charlie Lin" <charlielin65@gmail.com>:
=
Since the POSIX standa= rd is updated to POSIX.1-2008 with the 2016 TC, the commands should be upda= ted as well.

Also, how to submit either a patch or a contribu= tion?
--001a11406780bc2fd90548fb8ef0-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: From: "Steve Simon" Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 00:02:17 +0000 To: 9fans@9fans.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Update APE Topicbox-Message-UUID: b4469a9c-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 sadly there doesn't seem to be a way to add users to the labs sources server, unless somone knows different. I think the best thing would be to post diffs to this mailing list. I have some small changes to APE I have been meaning to post, nothing substantial mut enough to make porting some tools easier. -Steve From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Skip Tavakkolian Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 02:59:27 +0000 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1134f90614ff5405490192f7 Subject: Re: [9fans] Update APE Topicbox-Message-UUID: b44bb66c-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --001a1134f90614ff5405490192f7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable David du Colombier has kept up a comprehensive list of patches at 9legacy ( https://www.9legacy.org/patch.html); it's the best place to start. Although patches can still be submitted to Labs' sources, the last time any kernels in that repository were updated was in 2014. Fortunately there are other maintained distributions[*] I'm not sure how patches made in one distribution make their way into other distributions. I don't know how long this form of patches against Labs' frozen version would be possible. As patches pile on, a set of deltas need to be kept going back to the Labs' sources. It begs the question of how do we organize a community maintained repository? [*] list of Plan 9 distro's I'm aware of: 9legacy distro: maintained by David du Colombier 9front distro: kept up by =C9=94=E1=B4=89u=C9=90d l=C7=9Du=C9=B9=C7=9D=CA= =9E and 9 people's front people 9atom distro: kept up by Erik Quanstrom 9pi (bcm) kernel: maintained by Richard Miller; sources are in contrib area on Labs' sources On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 4:47 PM Steve Simon wrote: > sadly there doesn't seem to be a way to add users to the labs sources > server, > unless somone knows different. > > I think the best thing would be to post diffs to this mailing list. > > I have some small changes to APE I have been meaning to post, nothing > substantial > mut enough to make porting some tools easier. > > -Steve > > --001a1134f90614ff5405490192f7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
David du Colombier has kept= up a comprehensive list of patches at 9legacy (https://www.9legacy.org/patch.html); it's the b= est place to start.

Although patches can still be submitted to Labs' = sources, the last time any kernels in that repository were updated was in 2= 014. Fortunately there are other maintained distributions[*]
I'm not sure how patches made in one distribution= make their way into other distributions.

I don't know how long this = form of patches against Labs' frozen version would be possible.=C2=A0 A= s patches pile on, a set of deltas need to be kept going back to the Labs&#= 39; sources.=C2=A0 It begs the question of how do we organize a community m= aintained repository?

[*] list of Plan 9 distro's I'm aware o= f:
9legacy distro: maintained by D= avid du Colombier
9front distro: kept up by =C9=94=E1=B4=89u=C9= =90d l=C7=9Du=C9=B9=C7=9D=CA=9E and 9 people's front people
9= atom distro: kept up by Erik Quanstrom
9pi (bcm) kernel: maintain= ed by Richard Miller; sources are in contrib area on Labs' sources


<= /div>
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 a= t 4:47 PM Steve Simon <steve@quint= ile.net> wrote:
sadly there = doesn't seem to be a way to add users to the labs sources server,
unless somone knows different.

I think the best thing would be to post diffs to this mailing list.

I have some small changes to APE I have been meaning to post, nothing subst= antial
mut enough to make porting some tools easier.

-Steve

--001a1134f90614ff5405490192f7-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Lyndon Nerenberg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.2 \(3259\)) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 19:39:46 -0800 References: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Subject: Re: [9fans] Update APE Topicbox-Message-UUID: b45166ca-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > On Feb 20, 2017, at 6:59 PM, Skip Tavakkolian = wrote: >=20 > 9pi (bcm) kernel: maintained by Richard Miller; sources are in contrib = area on Labs' sources We really need to make sure the Labs' public fileserver is getting = mirrored someplace. I doubt it will be very long before it vanishes = altogether. (I'm surprised it's still around, in fact.) From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Skip Tavakkolian Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 04:09:13 +0000 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c09152c9b4ed60549028b0c Subject: Re: [9fans] Update APE Topicbox-Message-UUID: b456f2a2-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --94eb2c09152c9b4ed60549028b0c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 9p.io mirrors sources. On Mon, Feb 20, 2017, 7:54 PM Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > > > On Feb 20, 2017, at 6:59 PM, Skip Tavakkolian < > skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > 9pi (bcm) kernel: maintained by Richard Miller; sources are in contrib > area on Labs' sources > > We really need to make sure the Labs' public fileserver is getting > mirrored someplace. I doubt it will be very long before it vanishes > altogether. (I'm surprised it's still around, in fact.) > > > --94eb2c09152c9b4ed60549028b0c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

9p.io mirrors sources.


On Mon, Feb 20, 2017, 7:54 = PM Lyndon Nerenberg <lyndon@orthanc= .ca> wrote:

> On Feb 20, 2017, at 6:59 PM, Skip Tavakkolian <skip.tavakk= olian@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 9pi (bcm) kernel: maintained by Richard Miller; sources are in contrib= area on Labs' sources

We really need to make sure the Labs' public fileserver is getting mirr= ored someplace.=C2=A0 I doubt it will be very long before it vanishes altog= ether.=C2=A0 (I'm surprised it's still around, in fact.)


--94eb2c09152c9b4ed60549028b0c-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 20:12:40 -0800 From: Kurt H Maier To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Message-ID: <20170221041240.GA52595@wopr> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [9fans] Update APE Topicbox-Message-UUID: b45cc9d4-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 02:59:27AM +0000, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > > It begs the question of how do we organize a community maintained > repository? There isn't "a" community, so it's pretty pointless. The list you posted is the complete list of stuff that matters with the possible exception of Forsyth's 9k repository [1], which doesn't appear to have got much updating recently. The point is, there's not that much to keep track of, and anyone who cares will not have a terrible time keeping up. The only time this has failed me was when a 9legacy patch written specifically for Go took us by surprise (we got users mentioning a release candidate wouldn't build). I whined on Go's issue tracker and they promised to mention such breaking changes in the release notes.[2] In short, the people who give a shit about revision control are already using it, the SP9SSS isn't going to start using it in public, and trying to get everyone under one tent isn't going to work because git hipsters literally suffer from organ failure when you ask them to try mercurial, even though there isn't a (public) git port for Plan 9. What it boils down to is two classes of makework: watch the commit logs for 9k[1] and 9front[3], and write a script that automates pulling 9legacy's patch list or 9atom's image and diffing them for you. Both 9k and 9front have facilities for having commit logs mailed to you, if you'd prefer. They both also support rss/atom feeds. khm [1] https://bitbucket.org/forsyth/plan9-9k [2] Instead we got instructions to read the Go wiki, which documents required Plan 9 changes and when some were put in, but not which particular Bavarian fire drill affects which particular release of Go. But this is a Go problem, not a failure of the Plan 9 world. And the wiki is better than nothing. [3] http://code.9front.org/hg/plan9front/ From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20170221041240.GA52595@wopr> References: <20170221041240.GA52595@wopr> From: Charles Forsyth Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 08:38:58 +0000 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1146f9b0af9b1c0549064f35 Subject: Re: [9fans] Update APE Topicbox-Message-UUID: b4624026-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --001a1146f9b0af9b1c0549064f35 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 21 February 2017 at 04:12, Kurt H Maier wrote: > with the possible > exception of Forsyth's 9k repository [1], which doesn't appear to have > got much updating recently. > Yes, I've been busy with things other than Plan 9 to try to make ends meet. --001a1146f9b0af9b1c0549064f35 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On 21 February 2017 at 04:12, Kurt H Maier <khm@sciops.net> wro= te:
with the possible
exception of Forsyth's 9k repository [1], which doesn't appear to h= ave
got much updating recently.=C2=A0

Yes, I've= been busy with things other than Plan 9 to try to make ends meet.
--001a1146f9b0af9b1c0549064f35-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 08:24:00 -0800 From: Kurt H Maier To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Message-ID: <20170221162400.GB52595@wopr> References: <20170221041240.GA52595@wopr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [9fans] Update APE Topicbox-Message-UUID: b46849bc-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 08:38:58AM +0000, Charles Forsyth wrote: > On 21 February 2017 at 04:12, Kurt H Maier wrote: > > > with the possible > > exception of Forsyth's 9k repository [1], which doesn't appear to have > > got much updating recently. > > > > Yes, I've been busy with things other than Plan 9 to try to make ends meet. Sorry if I wasn't clear; my intention was to highlight the fact that the repo is worth looking at, despite the current trend of dismissing any project as 'dead' whose last commit was greater than fifteen minutes ago. khm From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: cigar562hfsp952fans@icebubble.org To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> References: Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 22:20:32 +0000 In-Reply-To: (Jens Staal's message of "Mon, 20 Feb 2017 20:49:10 +0100") Message-ID: <861surgp8v.fsf@cmarib.ramside> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: [9fans] Update APE Topicbox-Message-UUID: b46f5a4a-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Jens Staal writes: > If someone could backport apex from Harvey, that would be cool. I've seen this "Harvey" thing mentioned here and there, but does it really exist? I tried subscribing to the "Harvey" mailing list, but my subscription request was rejected. So I just assumed it was a secret, dark project hidden to all but a select inner circle of digital ninjas. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 15:55:13 -0800 From: Jadon Bennett To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Message-ID: <20170221235513.GA25455@jben.ca> References: <861surgp8v.fsf@cmarib.ramside> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <861surgp8v.fsf@cmarib.ramside> User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.2 (2016-11-26) Subject: Re: [9fans] Update APE Topicbox-Message-UUID: b4d8d54c-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:20:32PM +0000, cigar562hfsp952fans@icebubble.org wrote: > Jens Staal writes: > > > If someone could backport apex from Harvey, that would be cool. > > I've seen this "Harvey" thing mentioned here and there, but does it > really exist? I tried subscribing to the "Harvey" mailing list, but my > subscription request was rejected. So I just assumed it was a secret, > dark project hidden to all but a select inner circle of digital ninjas. > https://duckduckgo.com/?q=plan+9+harvey Welcome to the select inner circle! From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <861surgp8v.fsf@cmarib.ramside> References: <861surgp8v.fsf@cmarib.ramside> From: Jens Staal Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 06:48:17 +0100 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11406780147b230549180be7 Subject: Re: [9fans] Update APE Topicbox-Message-UUID: b4de4f40-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --001a11406780147b230549180be7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 https://github.com/Harvey-OS/apex Den 21 feb. 2017 23:28 skrev : > Jens Staal writes: > > > If someone could backport apex from Harvey, that would be cool. > > I've seen this "Harvey" thing mentioned here and there, but does it > really exist? I tried subscribing to the "Harvey" mailing list, but my > subscription request was rejected. So I just assumed it was a secret, > dark project hidden to all but a select inner circle of digital ninjas. > > --001a11406780147b230549180be7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Den = 21 feb. 2017 23:28 skrev <cigar562hfsp952fans@icebubble.org>:
=
Jens Staal <staal1978@gmail.com> writes:

> If someone could backport apex from Harvey, that would be cool.

I've seen this "Harvey" thing mentioned here and there, but d= oes it
really exist?=C2=A0 I tried subscribing to the "Harvey" mailing l= ist, but my
subscription request was rejected.=C2=A0 So I just assumed it was a secret,=
dark project hidden to all but a select inner circle of digital ninjas.

--001a11406780147b230549180be7-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <861surgp8v.fsf@cmarib.ramside> References: <861surgp8v.fsf@cmarib.ramside> From: Dave MacFarlane Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 12:27:25 -0500 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [9fans] Update APE Topicbox-Message-UUID: b4e58012-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Doesn't being a secret, dark hidden project imply existence? On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 5:20 PM, wrote: > Jens Staal writes: > >> If someone could backport apex from Harvey, that would be cool. > > I've seen this "Harvey" thing mentioned here and there, but does it > really exist? I tried subscribing to the "Harvey" mailing list, but my > subscription request was rejected. So I just assumed it was a secret, > dark project hidden to all but a select inner circle of digital ninjas. > -- - Dave From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <861surgp8v.fsf@cmarib.ramside> In-Reply-To: From: Skip Tavakkolian Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 18:23:21 +0000 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113d3cf00aa7cd054922980f Subject: Re: [9fans] Update APE Topicbox-Message-UUID: b4eed6bc-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --001a113d3cf00aa7cd054922980f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 SP9SSS is the dark matter of open source communities; there is no direct evidence of it but, on balance, there has to be something there. On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:28 AM Dave MacFarlane wrote: > Doesn't being a secret, dark hidden project imply existence? > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 5:20 PM, > wrote: > > Jens Staal writes: > > > >> If someone could backport apex from Harvey, that would be cool. > > > > I've seen this "Harvey" thing mentioned here and there, but does it > > really exist? I tried subscribing to the "Harvey" mailing list, but my > > subscription request was rejected. So I just assumed it was a secret, > > dark project hidden to all but a select inner circle of digital ninjas. > > > > > > -- > - Dave > > --001a113d3cf00aa7cd054922980f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
SP9SSS is the dark matter of open source communities; ther= e is no direct evidence of it but, on balance, there has to be something th= ere.


On= Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:28 AM Dave MacFarlane <driusan@gmail.com> wrote:
Doesn't being a secret, dark hidden project imply existence?<= br class=3D"gmail_msg">
On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 5:20 PM,=C2=A0 <cigar562hfsp952f= ans@icebubble.org> wrote:
> Jens Staal <staal1978@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> If someone could backport apex from Harvey, that would be cool. >
> I've seen this "Harvey" thing mentioned here and there, = but does it
> really exist?=C2=A0 I tried subscribing to the "Harvey" mail= ing list, but my
> subscription request was rejected.=C2=A0 So I just assumed it was a se= cret,
> dark project hidden to all but a select inner circle of digital ninjas= .
>



--
- Dave

--001a113d3cf00aa7cd054922980f-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <861surgp8v.fsf@cmarib.ramside> From: michaelian ennis Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2017 08:24:15 -0800 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f403045ea6b833496705494929c8 Subject: Re: [9fans] Update APE Topicbox-Message-UUID: b54912e4-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --f403045ea6b833496705494929c8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I think the work that Erik Quanstrom did in on APE at is built in to 9 Atom. I attempted to put this up as a pull request to 0intro/plan9 but nothing became of it.[1] Erik did this at least in part because an update was needed for the 2.7 Python and Mercurial work that Jeff Sickle did for Plan9 in 2013.[2] They talked about the work at the 8th International Workshop on Plan 9. [3] Ian [1] https://github.com/0intro/plan9/pull/1 [2] https://bitbucket.org/jas/cpython [3] http://iwp9.org --f403045ea6b833496705494929c8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think the work that Erik Quanstrom did in on APE at is b= uilt in to 9 Atom. I attempted to put this up as a pull request to 0intro/p= lan9 but nothing became of it.[1] Erik did this at least in part because an= update was needed for the 2.7 Python and Mercurial work that Jeff Sickle d= id for Plan9 in 2013.[2]=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0They talked about the work at the= =C2=A08th International Workshop on Plan 9. [3]

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