[9fans] The developers of Plan9 think there was no point in coding in binary code three years ago as they did or make the Riga Technical University and University of Latvia?

[9fans] The developers of Plan9 think there was no point in coding in binary code three years ago as they did or make the Riga Technical University and University of Latvia?

[françai s]

What are the programming languages ​​that were used to develop the Plan9?

Probably the Riga Technical University and University of Latvia
continue teaching coding in binary code, ie, machine language.

I say this because about three years ago the Riga Technical University
and University of Latvia continued teaching coding in binary code, ie,
machine language.

The Riga Technical University and University of Latvia made ​​based
projects  in Plan9 using coding  in binary code?

The developers of Plan9 think there was no point in coding in binary
code three years ago as they did or make the Riga Technical University
and University of Latvia?

Re: [9fans] The developers of Plan9 think there was no point in coding in binary code three years ago as they did or make the Riga Technical University and University of Latvia?

[Kurt H Maier]

Quoting françai s <romapera15@gmail.com>:

> What are the programming languages ​​that were used to develop the Plan9?
>
> Probably the Riga Technical University and University of Latvia
> continue teaching coding in binary code, ie, machine language.
>
> I say this because about three years ago the Riga Technical University
> and University of Latvia continued teaching coding in binary code, ie,
> machine language.
>
> The Riga Technical University and University of Latvia made ​​based
> projects  in Plan9 using coding  in binary code?
>
> The developers of Plan9 think there was no point in coding in binary
> code three years ago as they did or make the Riga Technical University
> and University of Latvia?

Apparently.

khm

Re: [9fans] The developers of Plan9 think there was no point in coding in binary code three years ago as they did or make the Riga Technical University and University of Latvia?

[erik quanstrom]

> > I say this because about three years ago the Riga Technical University
> > and University of Latvia continued teaching coding in binary code, ie,
> > machine language.

that's great!  very vew people understand how any machine really works.
it might not be something one can readily apply to another system, but it
will give you insights that can be reused in a lot of situation.

> > The Riga Technical University and University of Latvia made ​​based
> > projects  in Plan9 using coding  in binary code?
> >
> > The developers of Plan9 think there was no point in coding in binary
> > code three years ago as they did or make the Riga Technical University
> > and University of Latvia?
> 
> Apparently.

i think this is a false choice.  guessing here, i would imagine that there was
no advantage to using machine language seen with respect to the labs' goals.
this doesn't pass judgement on programming in machine language.

personally, i find it tedious with the machines i've had access to, but
more experienced programmers than i remember a day when it was
straightforward  to code in octal.  seymore cray programmed this way.

- erik

Re: [9fans] The developers of Plan9 think there was no point in coding in binary code three years ago as they did or make the Riga Technical University and University of Latvia?

[tlaronde]

On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 11:06:23AM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote:
>
> > > I say this because about three years ago the Riga Technical University
> > > and University of Latvia continued teaching coding in binary code, ie,
> > > machine language.
>
> that's great!  very vew people understand how any machine really works.
> it might not be something one can readily apply to another system, but it
> will give you insights that can be reused in a lot of situation.

D.E. Knuth has kept a machine language (MIX, and MMIX for the new
version) to explain the algorithm in TAOCP. And there are some
interviews of him explaining why. Since even "schools" should teach
the principles and not the particular means (why and what has to
be done and not how to do it precisely with the software or language
du jour), it is not bad per se.

If a real language has to be used, I don't understand why C seemed
to have never caught up.  Because it is high level for control and
expression, and low level, near the machine, so it seems the best
compromise. I really started to program a minimum correctly once
I understood at least roughly how the machine and the system were
working. Before...

--
        Thierry Laronde <tlaronde +AT+ polynum +dot+ com>
                      http://www.kergis.com/
              http://www.renaissance-francaise.fr/
Key fingerprint = 0FF7 E906 FBAF FE95 FD89  250D 52B1 AE95 6006 F40C

Re: [9fans] The developers of Plan9 think there was no point in coding in binary code three years ago as they did or make the Riga Technical University and University of Latvia?

[Aleksandar Kuktin]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1322 bytes --]

>On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 09:47:03 -0300
>françai s <romapera15@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> What are the programming languages ​​that were used to develop the
> Plan9?

A dialect of C. The source code is in /sys/src.

> Probably the Riga Technical University and University of Latvia
> continue teaching coding in binary code, ie, machine language.
> 
> I say this because about three years ago the Riga Technical University
> and University of Latvia continued teaching coding in binary code, ie,
> machine language.
> 
> The Riga Technical University and University of Latvia made ​​based
> projects  in Plan9 using coding  in binary code?
> 
> The developers of Plan9 think there was no point in coding in binary
> code three years ago as they did or make the Riga Technical University
> and University of Latvia?

Is there a reason "Riga Technical University" and "University of
Latvia" are mentioned in every sentence? What exactly is the purpose of
this e-mail? Advertising? Fishing? Is this an automated "shotgun"
e-mail designed to extract some information from the 'Net? An AI test?

-- 
Svi moji e-mailovi su kriptografski potpisani. Proverite ih.
All of my e-mails are cryptographically signed. Verify them.
--
You don't need an AI for a robot uprising.
Humans will do just fine.

[-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 853 bytes --]

Re: [9fans] The developers of Plan9 think there was no point in coding in binary code three years ago as they did or make the Riga Technical University and University of Latvia?

[smiley]

françai s <romapera15@gmail.com> writes:

> I say this because about three years ago the Riga Technical University

YOU cannot say anything, because you are a spam bot advertising for "the
Riga Technical University and University of Latvia" and not a sentient
being.

I wrote a prose engine a bit like this when I was in college, but mine
wasn't used to generate spam.  I used it to do my homework for me.  It
uses a set of production rules applicable to English text, with a small
set of topic-specific facts (such as "binary code" = "machine
language").  As you can see, it is difficult to get the resulting text
grammatically correct.  It's even harder getting it to make sense.

In this e-mail, the ratio of spelling errors to grammatical errors is
zero.  That's a dead giveaway that it's a bot.  If it were written by a
human, it would have mroe typos and speelling errors.

Re: [9fans] The developers of Plan9 think there was no point in coding in binary code three years ago as they did or make the Riga Technical University and University of Latvia?

[Skip Tavakkolian]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1048 bytes --]

it's a bad knockoff of Mark V. Shaney.



On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 9:12 AM, <smiley@icebubble.org> wrote:

> françai s <romapera15@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > I say this because about three years ago the Riga Technical University
>
> YOU cannot say anything, because you are a spam bot advertising for "the
> Riga Technical University and University of Latvia" and not a sentient
> being.
>
> I wrote a prose engine a bit like this when I was in college, but mine
> wasn't used to generate spam.  I used it to do my homework for me.  It
> uses a set of production rules applicable to English text, with a small
> set of topic-specific facts (such as "binary code" = "machine
> language").  As you can see, it is difficult to get the resulting text
> grammatically correct.  It's even harder getting it to make sense.
>
> In this e-mail, the ratio of spelling errors to grammatical errors is
> zero.  That's a dead giveaway that it's a bot.  If it were written by a
> human, it would have mroe typos and speelling errors.
>
>

[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1524 bytes --]

Re: [9fans] The developers of Plan9 think there was no point in coding in binary code three years ago as they did or make the Riga Technical University and University of Latvia?

[françai s]

2014-08-14 13:12 GMT-03:00, smiley@icebubble.org <smiley@icebubble.org>:
> françai s <romapera15@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> I say this because about three years ago the Riga Technical University
>
> YOU cannot say anything, because you are a spam bot advertising for "the
> Riga Technical University and University of Latvia" and not a sentient
> being.


> In this e-mail, the ratio of spelling errors to grammatical errors is
> zero.  That's a dead giveaway that it's a bot.  If it were written by a
> human, it would have mroe typos and speelling errors.


I am a human, my native language is not English, please forgive me the
errors of English.

Re: [9fans] The developers of Plan9 think there was no point in coding in binary code three years ago as they did or make the Riga Technical University and University of Latvia?

[Skip Tavakkolian]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 851 bytes --]

ask in your native language. we know how to use google translate.



On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 2:36 PM, françai s <romapera15@gmail.com> wrote:

> 2014-08-14 13:12 GMT-03:00, smiley@icebubble.org <smiley@icebubble.org>:
> > françai s <romapera15@gmail.com> writes:
> >
> >> I say this because about three years ago the Riga Technical University
> >
> > YOU cannot say anything, because you are a spam bot advertising for "the
> > Riga Technical University and University of Latvia" and not a sentient
> > being.
>
>
> > In this e-mail, the ratio of spelling errors to grammatical errors is
> > zero.  That's a dead giveaway that it's a bot.  If it were written by a
> > human, it would have mroe typos and speelling errors.
>
>
> I am a human, my native language is not English, please forgive me the
> errors of English.
>
>

[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1430 bytes --]

Re: [9fans] The developers of Plan9 think there was no point in coding in binary code three years ago as they did or make the Riga Technical University and University of Latvia?

[françai s]

2014-08-13 14:48 GMT-03:00, Aleksandar Kuktin <akuktin@gmail.com>:

>
> Is there a reason "Riga Technical University" and "University of
> Latvia" are mentioned in every sentence? What exactly is the purpose of
> this e-mail? Advertising? Fishing? Is this an automated "shotgun"
> e-mail designed to extract some information from the 'Net? An AI test?


I thought that never hear someone say  that there sense  currently
uses of binary code.

One person told me that there are three or more years ago the
University of Latvia and Riga Technical University taught code in
binary.

I like both  this subject that is irresistible to me, who are better
than the developers of Plan 9, the successor to Unix from AT & T to
address this issue?

I doubt if there is better people than the developers of Plan9 to answer that.

Re: [9fans] The developers of Plan9 think there was no point in coding in binary code three years ago as they did or make the Riga Technical University and University of Latvia?

[Skip Tavakkolian]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1667 bytes --]

i've forwarded your request to SP9SS (i may be missing an S in there
somewhere) for their immediate attention. they assure me it will be taken
up at the next special session of the central committee.

personally i think binary is passé. i'm waiting for processors that are
base "some large prime" -- preferably one that i can change on a whim. i
think this class of modulo-large-prime processors would make systems very
safe at the expense of a little work on the assembler every time the base
changes. perhaps UoL and RTU should start preparing students for this next
chapter in computing and help students avoid being SoL landing a dream tech
job with a BBTC (big-behemoth-tech-company)



On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 3:06 PM, françai s <romapera15@gmail.com> wrote:

> 2014-08-13 14:48 GMT-03:00, Aleksandar Kuktin <akuktin@gmail.com>:
>
> >
> > Is there a reason "Riga Technical University" and "University of
> > Latvia" are mentioned in every sentence? What exactly is the purpose of
> > this e-mail? Advertising? Fishing? Is this an automated "shotgun"
> > e-mail designed to extract some information from the 'Net? An AI test?
>
>
> I thought that never hear someone say  that there sense  currently
> uses of binary code.
>
> One person told me that there are three or more years ago the
> University of Latvia and Riga Technical University taught code in
> binary.
>
> I like both  this subject that is irresistible to me, who are better
> than the developers of Plan 9, the successor to Unix from AT & T to
> address this issue?
>
> I doubt if there is better people than the developers of Plan9 to answer
> that.
>
>

[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2178 bytes --]

Re: [9fans] The developers of Plan9 think there was no point in coding in binary code three years ago as they did or make the Riga Technical University and University of Latvia?

[Skip Tavakkolian]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1667 bytes --]

i've forwarded your request to SP9SS (i may be missing an S in there
somewhere) for their immediate attention. they assure me it will be taken
up at the next special session of the central committee.

personally i think binary is passé. i'm waiting for processors that are
base "some large prime" -- preferably one that i can change on a whim. i
think this class of modulo-large-prime processors would make systems very
safe at the expense of a little work on the assembler every time the base
changes. perhaps UoL and RTU should start preparing students for this next
chapter in computing and help students avoid being SoL landing a dream tech
job with a BBTC (big-behemoth-tech-company)



On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 3:06 PM, françai s <romapera15@gmail.com> wrote:

> 2014-08-13 14:48 GMT-03:00, Aleksandar Kuktin <akuktin@gmail.com>:
>
> >
> > Is there a reason "Riga Technical University" and "University of
> > Latvia" are mentioned in every sentence? What exactly is the purpose of
> > this e-mail? Advertising? Fishing? Is this an automated "shotgun"
> > e-mail designed to extract some information from the 'Net? An AI test?
>
>
> I thought that never hear someone say  that there sense  currently
> uses of binary code.
>
> One person told me that there are three or more years ago the
> University of Latvia and Riga Technical University taught code in
> binary.
>
> I like both  this subject that is irresistible to me, who are better
> than the developers of Plan 9, the successor to Unix from AT & T to
> address this issue?
>
> I doubt if there is better people than the developers of Plan9 to answer
> that.
>
>

[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2178 bytes --]

Re: [9fans] The developers of Plan9 think there was no point in coding in binary code three years ago as they did or make the Riga Technical University and University of Latvia?

[Lee Fallat]

On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Skip Tavakkolian
<skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com> wrote:
> ask in your native language. we know how to use google translate.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 2:36 PM, françai s <romapera15@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 2014-08-14 13:12 GMT-03:00, smiley@icebubble.org <smiley@icebubble.org>:
>> > françai s <romapera15@gmail.com> writes:
>> >
>> >> I say this because about three years ago the Riga Technical University
>> >
>> > YOU cannot say anything, because you are a spam bot advertising for "the
>> > Riga Technical University and University of Latvia" and not a sentient
>> > being.
>>
>>
>> > In this e-mail, the ratio of spelling errors to grammatical errors is
>> > zero.  That's a dead giveaway that it's a bot.  If it were written by a
>> > human, it would have mroe typos and speelling errors.
>>
>>
>> I am a human, my native language is not English, please forgive me the
>> errors of English.
>>
>

Parle en francais, Monsieur francais.

Re: [9fans] The developers of Plan9 think there was no point in coding in binary code three years ago as they did or make the Riga Technical University and University of Latvia?

[françai s]

2014-08-14 19:30 GMT-03:00, Skip Tavakkolian <skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com>:
> i've forwarded your request to SP9SS (i may be missing an S in there
> somewhere) for their immediate attention. they assure me it will be taken
> up at the next special session of the central committee.
>
> personally i think binary is passé. i'm waiting for processors that are
> base "some large prime" -- preferably one that i can change on a whim. i
> think this class of modulo-large-prime processors would make systems very
> safe at the expense of a little work on the assembler every time the base
> changes. perhaps UoL and RTU should start preparing students for this next
> chapter in computing and help students avoid being SoL landing a dream tech
> job with a BBTC (big-behemoth-tech-company)
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 3:06 PM, françai s <romapera15@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> 2014-08-13 14:48 GMT-03:00, Aleksandar Kuktin <akuktin@gmail.com>:
>>
>> >
>> > Is there a reason "Riga Technical University" and "University of
>> > Latvia" are mentioned in every sentence? What exactly is the purpose of
>> > this e-mail? Advertising? Fishing? Is this an automated "shotgun"
>> > e-mail designed to extract some information from the 'Net? An AI test?
>>
>>
>> I thought that never hear someone say  that there sense  currently
>> uses of binary code.
>>
>> One person told me that there are three or more years ago the
>> University of Latvia and Riga Technical University taught code in
>> binary.
>>
>> I like both  this subject that is irresistible to me, who are better
>> than the developers of Plan 9, the successor to Unix from AT & T to
>> address this issue?
>>
>> I doubt if there is better people than the developers of Plan9 to answer
>> that.
>>
>>
>



Skip Tavakkolian wrote:

>i've forwarded your request to SP9SS (i may be missing an S in there somewhere) >for their >immediate attention. they assure me it will be taken up at the next special >session of the >central committee.


My topic has been moved to another list?

If my topic has been moved to another list, please give me the link of
my topic that was moved.

Re: [9fans] The developers of Plan9 think there was no point in coding in binary code three years ago as they did or make the Riga Technical University and University of Latvia?

[andrey mirtchovski]

> If my topic has been moved to another list, please give me the link of
> my topic that was moved.

sorry, we can't. it's secret.

Re: [9fans] The developers of Plan9 think there was no point in coding in binary code three years ago as they did or make the Riga Technical University and University of Latvia?

[erik quanstrom]

> >i've forwarded your request to SP9SS (i may be missing an S in there somewhere) >for their >immediate attention. they assure me it will be taken up at the next special >session of the >central committee.
>
>
> My topic has been moved to another list?
>
> If my topic has been moved to another list, please give me the link of
> my topic that was moved.

this was an inside joke.  you are not expected to understand this.

- erik

Re: [9fans] The developers of Plan9 think there was no point in coding in binary code three years ago as they did or make the Riga Technical University and University of Latvia?

[sl]

>> >i've forwarded your request to SP9SS (i may be missing an S in there somewhere) >for their >immediate attention. they assure me it will be taken up at the next special >session of the >central committee.
>>
>>
>> My topic has been moved to another list?
>>
>> If my topic has been moved to another list, please give me the link of
>> my topic that was moved.
>
> this was an inside joke.  you are not expected to understand this.

these aren't the amd64 kernels you're looking for

sl