[9fans] 9grid?

[9fans] 9grid?

[Don A. Bailey]

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Is 9grid still around? Has much progress been made on the viability of
9grid as a production resource in the past few years? Lots of the web data
is down, so I'd love to hear from anyone using/working on 9grid resources?

Thanks,
D

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Re: [9fans] 9grid?

[Anthony Sorace]

That name has referred to at least two, possibly three,
distinct and unrelated projects. I don't believe any of
them are still ongoing. I also don't think any of them
were aimed at becoming what i'd call a "production
resource". What is it you're looking for?

Re: [9fans] 9grid?

[Don A. Bailey]

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I only really considered one project to be substantial. That may be unfair.
It was the one that LANL/UCal were involved in.

I'm interested in the code for managing grid nodes and delegating tasks.

Best,
D

On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 7:46 AM, Anthony Sorace <a@9srv.net> wrote:

> That name has referred to at least two, possibly three,
> distinct and unrelated projects. I don't believe any of
> them are still ongoing. I also don't think any of them
> were aimed at becoming what i'd call a "production
> resource". What is it you're looking for?
>
>
>


--
Don A. Bailey
CEO/Founding Partner
Capitol Hill Consultants LLC
1-303-947-6557

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Re: [9fans] 9grid?

[ron minnich]

On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Don A. Bailey
<donb@capitolhillconsultants.com> wrote:

> I'm interested in the code for managing grid nodes and delegating tasks.

Real code? talk to charles.

Or now that Go works, you could look at some of those packages.

ron

Re: [9fans] 9grid?

[Don A. Bailey]

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Go embeds parallel/grid functionality now instead of just lightweight
thread execution? Which packages would you point me at?

Thanks,
D

On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 5:09 PM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Don A. Bailey
> <donb@capitolhillconsultants.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm interested in the code for managing grid nodes and delegating tasks.
>
> Real code? talk to charles.
>
> Or now that Go works, you could look at some of those packages.
>
> ron
>
>


--
Don A. Bailey
CEO/Founding Partner
Capitol Hill Consultants LLC
1-303-947-6557

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Re: [9fans] 9grid?

[Matthew Veety]

On 10/23/2012 8:11 PM, Don A. Bailey wrote:
> Go embeds parallel/grid functionality now instead of just lightweight
> thread execution? Which packages would you point me at?
>
> Thanks,
> D
>
> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 5:09 PM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com
> <mailto:rminnich@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Don A. Bailey
>     <donb@capitolhillconsultants.com
>     <mailto:donb@capitolhillconsultants.com>> wrote:
>
>      > I'm interested in the code for managing grid nodes and delegating
>     tasks.
>
>     Real code? talk to charles.
>
>     Or now that Go works, you could look at some of those packages.
>
>     ron
>
>
>
>
> --
> Don A. Bailey
> CEO/Founding Partner
> Capitol Hill Consultants LLC
> 1-303-947-6557
>
>

I would avoid using Go on Plan 9 right now for anything production
because it has issues when using many concurrent tcp connections. If you
do want to use Go, stick with reading and writing files, and let 9P do
it's thing.

--
Veety

Re: [9fans] 9grid?

[Don A. Bailey]

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Does Go have issues in general with TCP connections, or is this a Plan 9
specific issue?

D

On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Matthew Veety <mveety@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 10/23/2012 8:11 PM, Don A. Bailey wrote:
>
>> Go embeds parallel/grid functionality now instead of just lightweight
>> thread execution? Which packages would you point me at?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> D
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 5:09 PM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com
>> <mailto:rminnich@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Don A. Bailey
>>     <donb@capitolhillconsultants.**com <donb@capitolhillconsultants.com>
>>     <mailto:donb@**capitolhillconsultants.com<donb@capitolhillconsultants.com>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>      > I'm interested in the code for managing grid nodes and delegating
>>     tasks.
>>
>>     Real code? talk to charles.
>>
>>     Or now that Go works, you could look at some of those packages.
>>
>>     ron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Don A. Bailey
>> CEO/Founding Partner
>> Capitol Hill Consultants LLC
>> 1-303-947-6557
>>
>>
>>
> I would avoid using Go on Plan 9 right now for anything production because
> it has issues when using many concurrent tcp connections. If you do want to
> use Go, stick with reading and writing files, and let 9P do it's thing.
>
> --
> Veety
>
>
>


--
Don A. Bailey
CEO/Founding Partner
Capitol Hill Consultants LLC
1-303-947-6557

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Re: [9fans] 9grid?

[Matthew Veety]

On 10/23/2012 8:44 PM, Don A. Bailey wrote:
> Does Go have issues in general with TCP connections, or is this a Plan 9
> specific issue?
>
> D

I haven't had any problems with Go on other platforms (FreeBSD and Mac
OS X) except for CPU use sometimes and scheduling of goroutines. Both
you can kinda work around.

--
Veety

Re: [9fans] 9grid?

[Don A. Bailey]

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Cool, thanks. I appreciate the response.

D

On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Matthew Veety <mveety@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 10/23/2012 8:44 PM, Don A. Bailey wrote:
>
>> Does Go have issues in general with TCP connections, or is this a Plan 9
>> specific issue?
>>
>> D
>>
>
> I haven't had any problems with Go on other platforms (FreeBSD and Mac OS
> X) except for CPU use sometimes and scheduling of goroutines. Both you can
> kinda work around.
>
> --
> Veety
>
>
>
>


--
Don A. Bailey
CEO/Founding Partner
Capitol Hill Consultants LLC
1-303-947-6557

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Re: [9fans] 9grid?

[Kurt H Maier]

On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 05:44:42PM -0700, Don A. Bailey wrote:
> Does Go have issues in general with TCP connections, or is this a Plan 9
> specific issue?
>
> D

Dear Don A. "D" Bailey, CEO/Cofounder:

You should probably harass the Go people about this.

Thank you,
Kurt H Maier
Grand Poobah/Arch-inquisitor At Large
Totally a Business, Inc
1-212-479-7990

Re: [9fans] 9grid?

[Don A. Bailey]

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If I wanted to be insulted, I'd subscribe to a Reddit feed. ;)

D

On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Kurt H Maier <khm-9@intma.in> wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 05:44:42PM -0700, Don A. Bailey wrote:
> > Does Go have issues in general with TCP connections, or is this a Plan 9
> > specific issue?
> >
> > D
>
> Dear Don A. "D" Bailey, CEO/Cofounder:
>
> You should probably harass the Go people about this.
>
> Thank you,
> Kurt H Maier
> Grand Poobah/Arch-inquisitor At Large
> Totally a Business, Inc
> 1-212-479-7990
>
>


--
Don A. Bailey
CEO/Founding Partner
Capitol Hill Consultants LLC
1-303-947-6557

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Re: [9fans] 9grid?

[Kurt H Maier]

On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 06:11:54PM -0700, Don A. Bailey wrote:
> If I wanted to be insulted, I'd subscribe to a Reddit feed. ;)
>
> D


Thanks for letting us know, D.

The Right Reverend Kurt H. Maier, Esq.
Daughter of the Fifth House of Betazed
Holder of the Sacred Chalice of Rixx
Heir to the Holy Rings of Betazed
Ferenginar Acquisitions, LLC
1-631-960-7187

Re: [9fans] 9grid?

[Don A. Bailey]

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Haha, it's good to know the caustic wit of 9fans hasn't changed in the
twelve years I've participated in it. Screen names change, but trolls will
always persist.

<3
D

On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Kurt H Maier <khm-9@intma.in> wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 06:11:54PM -0700, Don A. Bailey wrote:
> > If I wanted to be insulted, I'd subscribe to a Reddit feed. ;)
> >
> > D
>
>
> Thanks for letting us know, D.
>
> The Right Reverend Kurt H. Maier, Esq.
> Daughter of the Fifth House of Betazed
> Holder of the Sacred Chalice of Rixx
> Heir to the Holy Rings of Betazed
> Ferenginar Acquisitions, LLC
> 1-631-960-7187
>
>


--
Don A. Bailey
CEO/Founding Partner
Capitol Hill Consultants LLC
1-303-947-6557

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Re: [9fans] 9grid?

[erik quanstrom]

On Tue Oct 23 21:30:08 EDT 2012, donb@capitolhillconsultants.com wrote:

> Haha, it's good to know the caustic wit of 9fans hasn't changed in the
> twelve years I've participated in it. Screen names change, but trolls will
> always persist.

biologists call it an ecological niche.

- erik

Re: [9fans] 9grid?

[Don A. Bailey]

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If only Joseph Campbell were around to accurately define this lot. I think
he'd get a bigger kick out of 9fans than he did the Grateful Dead. Well,
maybe not. But close, I'm sure.

D

On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 6:34 PM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>wrote:

> On Tue Oct 23 21:30:08 EDT 2012, donb@capitolhillconsultants.com wrote:
>
> > Haha, it's good to know the caustic wit of 9fans hasn't changed in the
> > twelve years I've participated in it. Screen names change, but trolls
> will
> > always persist.
>
> biologists call it an ecological niche.
>
> - erik
>
>


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Don A. Bailey
CEO/Founding Partner
Capitol Hill Consultants LLC
1-303-947-6557

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Re: [9fans] 9grid?

[Bakul Shah]

If I wanted to be insulted, I'd subscribe to a Reddit feed. ;)

On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 18:42:48 PDT "Don A. Bailey" <donb@capitolhillconsultants.com>  wrote:
> If only Joseph Campbell were around to accurately define this lot. I think
> he'd get a bigger kick out of 9fans than he did the Grateful Dead. Well,
> maybe not. But close, I'm sure.
>
> D
>
> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 6:34 PM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>wrote:
>
> > On Tue Oct 23 21:30:08 EDT 2012, donb@capitolhillconsultants.com wrote:
> >
> > > Haha, it's good to know the caustic wit of 9fans hasn't changed in the
> > > twelve years I've participated in it. Screen names change, but trolls
> > will
> > > always persist.
> >
> > biologists call it an ecological niche.

Egological.

Re: [9fans] 9grid?

[Kurt H Maier]

On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 06:29:19PM -0700, Don A. Bailey wrote:
> Haha, it's good to know the caustic wit of 9fans hasn't changed in the
> twelve years I've participated in it. Screen names change, but trolls will
> always persist.

Unlike your desire to look at code?  Why have you suddenly begun asking
questions that can easily be answered by opening source files?  Are you
under coercion?  Are you sending us a signal?





blink twice for yes, they can't record everything

Re: [9fans] 9grid?

[John Floren]

On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Matthew Veety <mveety@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/23/2012 8:11 PM, Don A. Bailey wrote:
>>
>> Go embeds parallel/grid functionality now instead of just lightweight
>> thread execution? Which packages would you point me at?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> D
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 5:09 PM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com
>> <mailto:rminnich@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Don A. Bailey
>>     <donb@capitolhillconsultants.com
>>     <mailto:donb@capitolhillconsultants.com>> wrote:
>>
>>      > I'm interested in the code for managing grid nodes and delegating
>>     tasks.
>>
>>     Real code? talk to charles.
>>
>>     Or now that Go works, you could look at some of those packages.
>>
>>     ron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Don A. Bailey
>> CEO/Founding Partner
>> Capitol Hill Consultants LLC
>> 1-303-947-6557
>>
>>
>
> I would avoid using Go on Plan 9 right now for anything production because
> it has issues when using many concurrent tcp connections. If you do want to
> use Go, stick with reading and writing files, and let 9P do it's thing.
>
> --
> Veety
>
>

Write a basic http server for Plan 9 (in C) and run Apache Benchmark
against it. Somewhere around 100 concurrent connections, I tend to get
failure. There's code in /sys/src/9/ip that has a hard limit on the #
of concurrent connections IIRC.

I'd post the code for the server I wrote, but it was written as part
of work so I can't. Still, it's not hard to put together a server
which responds only to a GET.

john

Re: [9fans] 9grid?

[Don A. Bailey]

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Thankfully, we are very well versed at tuning the Plan 9 kernel. I'll take
your advice and develop the benchmark.

Is your code concealed per work on NxM? Just curious as NxM seems to solve
(in what little I know about it) some of the issues we are trying to solve
with Go+Plan 9.

D

On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 6:15 PM, John Floren <john@jfloren.net> wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Matthew Veety <mveety@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 10/23/2012 8:11 PM, Don A. Bailey wrote:
> >>
> >> Go embeds parallel/grid functionality now instead of just lightweight
> >> thread execution? Which packages would you point me at?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> D
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 5:09 PM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com
> >> <mailto:rminnich@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>     On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Don A. Bailey
> >>     <donb@capitolhillconsultants.com
> >>     <mailto:donb@capitolhillconsultants.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>      > I'm interested in the code for managing grid nodes and delegating
> >>     tasks.
> >>
> >>     Real code? talk to charles.
> >>
> >>     Or now that Go works, you could look at some of those packages.
> >>
> >>     ron
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Don A. Bailey
> >> CEO/Founding Partner
> >> Capitol Hill Consultants LLC
> >> 1-303-947-6557
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I would avoid using Go on Plan 9 right now for anything production
> because
> > it has issues when using many concurrent tcp connections. If you do want
> to
> > use Go, stick with reading and writing files, and let 9P do it's thing.
> >
> > --
> > Veety
> >
> >
>
> Write a basic http server for Plan 9 (in C) and run Apache Benchmark
> against it. Somewhere around 100 concurrent connections, I tend to get
> failure. There's code in /sys/src/9/ip that has a hard limit on the #
> of concurrent connections IIRC.
>
> I'd post the code for the server I wrote, but it was written as part
> of work so I can't. Still, it's not hard to put together a server
> which responds only to a GET.
>
> john
>
>


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Don A. Bailey
CEO/Founding Partner
Capitol Hill Consultants LLC
1-303-947-6557

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Re: [9fans] 9grid?

[erik quanstrom]

> Write a basic http server for Plan 9 (in C) and run Apache Benchmark
> against it. Somewhere around 100 concurrent connections, I tend to get
> failure. There's code in /sys/src/9/ip that has a hard limit on the #
> of concurrent connections IIRC.
>
> I'd post the code for the server I wrote, but it was written as part
> of work so I can't. Still, it's not hard to put together a server
> which responds only to a GET.

the limit is 1024 for a terminal, and 4096 for a cpu server.
if you get a failure at a lower number, then it's not because
of concurrent connections, but something else.

i know the original nix tcp code had trouble with zero-window
probes.  i'm not sure if the same was ever true of the distribution.

- erik

Re: [9fans] 9grid?

[Anthony Martin]

John Floren <john@jfloren.net> once said:
> Write a basic http server for Plan 9 (in C) and run Apache Benchmark
> against it. Somewhere around 100 concurrent connections, I tend to get
> failure. There's code in /sys/src/9/ip that has a hard limit on the #
> of concurrent connections IIRC.

What happens when it fails? /sys/src/9/ip/ip.h:/Nchans isn't that low.
Do you get the "garbage collecting Convs" message from the kernel?

If you have stack traces or profiles, please post them on golang-dev
or send them directly to me. I'll try to get any bugs fixed promptly.

This goes for any other bugs encountered using Go on Plan 9.

Cheers,
  Anthony

Re: [9fans] 9grid?

[erik quanstrom]

On Wed Oct 24 03:32:07 EDT 2012, ality@pbrane.org wrote:
> John Floren <john@jfloren.net> once said:
> > Write a basic http server for Plan 9 (in C) and run Apache Benchmark
> > against it. Somewhere around 100 concurrent connections, I tend to get
> > failure. There's code in /sys/src/9/ip that has a hard limit on the #
> > of concurrent connections IIRC.
>
> What happens when it fails? /sys/src/9/ip/ip.h:/Nchans isn't that low.
> Do you get the "garbage collecting Convs" message from the kernel?

tcp uses scalednconv() which is basically Nchans*4.

- erik