Nxm built kencen toolchain on Linux.

<= /div>

We could build all of plan9 on Linux. You might be a= ble to start there and produce .Exe's.

Not tested for quite some time now. Derived from nix.<= /div>

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<= u>
uh inferno's 8c compiles .exe file?

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Paul

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On Sun, Mar 28, 2021, at 10:21 AM, Sean Hinchee wrote:

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References: <16169192140.EA2eDcaAa.58765@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> <3e2c5d4aa9e7d6ae09d902056633e77d@hamnavoe.com> <16169373620.2F9EB034D.315276@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.5 7/5/10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: f23531c0-9059-11eb-90ff-886989bce194 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UNGQ3N2NjOTVhYjRlZDcwYy1NNzM2YjVhNzliMmUzYzIxYjE0MzAy?= =?UTF-8?B?MmRhPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M736b5a79b2e3c21b143022da:1:oocfZMPmz1A6eY_f5-hbu7DUbx4AwKLuoVgyK2k7YYM Is there a usable, standalone, 32- or 64-bit version of kenc that works on Linux? By "usable" I mean "able to compile and run regular Linux code". For example, oh, say, compiling and testing GNU Awk. :-) (Besides GCC and clang, I test gawk with tinycc and the revived PCC compilers. I have often wanted to add kenc into the mix, but haven't found a usable, standalone version thereof.) Thanks, Arnold ron minnich wrote: > Nxm built kencen toolchain on Linux. > > https://github.com/rminnich/NxM > > We could build all of plan9 on Linux. You might be able to start there and > produce .Exe's. > > Not tested for quite some time now. 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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_6061de60d5d2b_3c1d388a8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is an admin Topicbox-Message-UUID: a9d947b6-9097-11eb-bd1b-9f59539cfab3 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UNGQ3N2NjOTVhYjRlZDcwYy1NMzc1YThlNjRkZjAzNmVhZDdmM2Rh?= =?UTF-8?B?MjFkPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M375a8e64df036ead7f3da21d:1:CfAfnNba_nkteaYTxsCT3HM0J7FFi8LL1A2UEUnuOz4 ----==_mimepart_6061de60d5d2b_3c1d388a8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Arnold, The hard part is not so much the compiling but the linking against system libraries. Honestly once you have both gcc and clang happy (with no warnings), I doubt very much that using the Plan 9 C compilers will bring much additional benefit for finding bugs (except bugs in the compiler!). Best, Russ ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T4d77cc95ab4ed70c-M375a8= e64df036ead7f3da21d Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription ----==_mimepart_6061de60d5d2b_3c1d388a8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Arnold,

The hard part is not so much the compil= ing but the linking against system libraries. Honestly once you have both g= cc and clang happy (with no warnings), I doubt very much that using the Pla= n 9 C compilers will bring much additional benefit for finding bugs (except= bugs in the compiler!).

Best,
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References: <0f77c99c5130d1ce2fe33ab8c32db88a09ebfb12@hey.com> In-Reply-To: <0f77c99c5130d1ce2fe33ab8c32db88a09ebfb12@hey.com> User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.5 7/5/10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1113eebc-9099-11eb-95e2-965a5154d2ff Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UNGQ3N2NjOTVhYjRlZDcwYy1NMzE3NDg5ZTJiMDU1ZjAwM2NjZmIw?= =?UTF-8?B?ZGNhPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M317489e2b055f003ccfb0dca:1:KENUTbpMjH__oT-ZfjD5C6TeC-BPNvT7q8lcvid7zAk Hi Russ. Thanks for this. You are probably right, but it's always good to test against as many compilers as possible. Out of curiousity, why is linking against the system libraries so hard? I assume a port of kenc to Linux would have a driver program that would just invoke the system ld(1). I'd think that getting the ABI and generation of ELF (or of standard Linux assembly language) correct would be the hard part. What am I missing? Thanks, Arnold Russ Cox wrote: > Hi Arnold, > > The hard part is not so much the compiling but the linking against > system libraries. Honestly once you have both gcc and clang happy (with > no warnings), I doubt very much that using the Plan 9 C compilers will > bring much additional benefit for finding bugs (except bugs in the > compiler!). > > Best, > Russ ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T4d77cc95ab4ed70c-M31748= 9e2b055f003ccfb0dca Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 23392 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2021 15:08:46 -0000 Received: from tb-ob21.topicbox.com (173.228.157.67) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 29 Mar 2021 15:08:46 -0000 Received: from tb-mx0.topicbox.com (tb-mx0.nyi.icgroup.com [10.90.30.73]) by tb-ob21.topicbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D373B29504 for ; 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Mon, 29 Mar 2021 08:08:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0f77c99c5130d1ce2fe33ab8c32db88a09ebfb12@hey.com> <202103291414.12TEEIJP004120@freefriends.org> In-Reply-To: <202103291414.12TEEIJP004120@freefriends.org> From: Charles Forsyth Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 16:08:17 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [9fans] Can compile Plan9 C compiler for windows10? To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000009f0c005beae4157" Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: a1cc0adc-90a0-11eb-ade7-a0a7efc2fd39 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UNGQ3N2NjOTVhYjRlZDcwYy1NYWU4Mzg2YzNjMTVmMzk3MzAyN2I4?= =?UTF-8?B?ZGU2Pg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:Mae8386c3c15f3973027b8de6:1:Z8-9v13EPi_W8uNrONZbg8DYlkg9iSYoXWOp6_vE0xk --00000000000009f0c005beae4157 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > I doubt very much that using the Plan 9 C compilers will bring much > additional benefit for finding bugs (except bugs in the compiler!). The cross-file type-checking does sometimes pick up unpleasantness caused by type mismatches. It was originally added to allow dynamically-loaded object modules to be checked against the loading specification. It has found a few problems elsewhere, including one in Python where one .c file included a .h with a certain #define in scope that another .c file didn't define by accident, causing the two .c files to have completely different memory layouts for a structure. > Out of curiousity, why is linking against the system libraries so > hard? I assume a port of kenc to Linux would have a driver program > that would just invoke the system ld(1). I'd think that getting > the ABI and generation of ELF (or of standard Linux assembly language) > correct would be the hard part. > What am I missing? It works very differently from what you expect http://9p.io/sys/doc/compiler.html : The compiler is a single program that produces an object file. Combined in the compiler are the traditional roles of preprocessor, lexical analyzer, parser, code generator, local optimizer, and first half of the assembler. The object files are binary forms of assembly language, similar to what might be passed between the first and second passes of an assembler. Object files and libraries are combined by a loader program to produce the executable binary. The loader combines the roles of second half of the assembler, global optimizer, and loader. ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T4d77cc95ab4ed70c-Mae838= 6c3c15f3973027b8de6 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription --00000000000009f0c005beae4157 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I doubt very much that using the Plan 9 C compilers will brin= g much additional benefit for finding bugs (except bugs in the compiler!).<= /span>

The cross-file type-checking does = sometimes pick up unpleasantness caused by type mismatches.

It wa= s originally added to allow dynamically-loaded object modules to be ch= ecked against the loading specification.

It has found a few probl= ems elsewhere, including one in Python where one .c file included a .h with= a certain #define

in scope that another .c file didn't defin= e by accident, causing the two .c files to have completely different memory= layouts

for a structure.

Out of curiousity, why is linking against the system libraries so
hard? I assume a port of kenc to Linux would have a driver program that would just invoke the system ld(1). I'd think that getting the ABI and generation of ELF (or of standard Linux assembly language)
correct would be the hard part.
What am I missing?

It works very differen= tly from what you expect http://9p.io/sys/doc/compiler.html :

The compiler is a single program that produces an objec= t file. Combined in the compiler are the traditional roles of preprocessor,= lexical analyzer, parser, code generator, local optimizer, and first half = of the assembler. The object files are binary forms of assembly language, s= imilar to what might be passed between the first and second passes of an as= sembler.

Object files and libraries are combined by a loader= program to produce the executable binary. The loader combines the roles of= second half of the assembler, global optimizer, and loader.

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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 08:15:17 -0700 From: ori@eigenstate.org In-Reply-To: <202103291414.12TEEIJP004120@freefriends.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 97844534-90a1-11eb-a763-813096cd0b88 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UNGQ3N2NjOTVhYjRlZDcwYy1NMjFlZDMxMzgzNDlhMzk4NmNkZDMx?= =?UTF-8?B?OThiPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M21ed3138349a3986cdd3198b:1:MqriSHkLMgbwAgw4qU6tO6S3Gz34pMrF3S-q0F2p4Nk Quoth arnold@skeeve.com: > Hi Russ. >=20 > Thanks for this. 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References: <0f77c99c5130d1ce2fe33ab8c32db88a09ebfb12@hey.com> <202103291414.12TEEIJP004120@freefriends.org> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.5 7/5/10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: cced8c7e-90b2-11eb-aac6-d22770ea0ecd Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UNGQ3N2NjOTVhYjRlZDcwYy1NNmEyNTRjNjFkZWE1YTljZGM2Nzk3?= =?UTF-8?B?YmMyPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M6a254c61dea5a9cdc6797bc2:1:pKjwJSmDBSxaqnX69wCeX5C3Z5zIjJN1Fpp-fKEVI1s OK - wasn't kenc ported to Linux for bootstrapping the early Go compilers? Is that version general, or not worth my trying to use? Thanks, Arnold Charles Forsyth wrote: > > > > I doubt very much that using the Plan 9 C compilers will bring much > > additional benefit for finding bugs (except bugs in the compiler!). > > > The cross-file type-checking does sometimes pick up unpleasantness caused > by type mismatches. > It was originally added to allow dynamically-loaded object modules to be > checked against the loading specification. > It has found a few problems elsewhere, including one in Python where one = .c > file included a .h with a certain #define > in scope that another .c file didn't define by accident, causing the two = .c > files to have completely different memory layouts > for a structure. > > > > Out of curiousity, why is linking against the system libraries so > > hard? I assume a port of kenc to Linux would have a driver program > > that would just invoke the system ld(1). I'd think that getting > > the ABI and generation of ELF (or of standard Linux assembly language) > > correct would be the hard part. > > What am I missing? >=20 >=20 > It works very differently from what you expect > http://9p.io/sys/doc/compiler.html : >=20 > The compiler is a single program that produces an object file. Combined in > the compiler are the traditional roles of preprocessor, lexical analyzer, > parser, code generator, local optimizer, and first half of the assembler. > The object files are binary forms of assembly language, similar to what > might be passed between the first and second passes of an assembler. >=20 > Object files and libraries are combined by a loader program to produce the > executable binary. 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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_6062123773cb4_16721d38961e5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is an admin Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9009f1ae-90b6-11eb-a0e1-c0f26a4ee289 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UNGQ3N2NjOTVhYjRlZDcwYy1NMzgwOTVlN2I1MTY2MTg4M2Y5Nzcw?= =?UTF-8?B?MDZhPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M38095e7b51661883f977006a:1:dK643toPy0ZjBmPFFoWU6c298wueGQDEEYrQSGzPFZA ----==_mimepart_6062123773cb4_16721d38961e5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On March 29, 2021, arnold@skeeve.com wrote: > OK - wasn't kenc ported to Linux for bootstrapping the early > Go compilers? Is that version general, or not worth my trying to use? The early Go compilers, written in C, were compiled with gcc or clang. The Plan 9 C compiler was used for the Go runtime's initial C implementation, but in that context it was only dealing with the self-contained demands of Go itself, not arbitrary C code (no standard C library,=EF=BF=BD=EF=BF=BDmuch of which gawk would need). Even in that limited context, we spent a frustrating (non-zero) amount of time stumbling over bugs. Standard C has moved on, and the Plan 9 C compilers have not kept up. They're still fine for Plan 9 C code, but given the choice I wouldn't throw anything else at them. 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On March 29, 2021, arnold@skeeve.com wrote:

= OK - wasn't kenc ported to Linux for bootstrapping the early
Go co= mpilers? Is that version general, or not worth my trying to use?

The early Go compilers, written in C, were compiled with gcc o= r clang.

The Plan 9 C compiler was used for the Go runtime's= initial
C implementation, but in that context it was only dealing
with the self-contained demands of Go itself, not arbitrary C code
(= no standard C library, much of which gawk would need).

Even= in that limited context, we spent a frustrating (non-zero)
amount of = time stumbling over bugs.
Standard C has moved on, and the Plan 9 C co= mpilers have not kept up.
They're still fine for Plan 9 C code, bu= t given the choice
I wouldn't throw anything else at them.
Best,
Russ

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That's pretty definitive. Thanks. 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To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 5988da76-90b8-11eb-9a74-d8d365feaae6 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UNGQ3N2NjOTVhYjRlZDcwYy1NYTY0NjdkOWVlZGFhODNhYzc2MWUz?= =?UTF-8?B?NWRhPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:Ma6467d9eedaa83ac761e35da:1:YGbAe9IZSnO4gOplftRLux845JOybMJx1m3kNUk2QAs On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 10:47 AM Russ Cox wrote: > > On March 29, 2021, arnold@skeeve.com wrote: > > OK - wasn't kenc ported to Linux for bootstrapping the early > Go compilers? Is that version general, or not worth my trying to use? > > > The early Go compilers, written in C, were compiled with gcc or clang. > > The Plan 9 C compiler was used for the Go runtime's initial > C implementation, but in that context it was only dealing > with the self-contained demands of Go itself, not arbitrary C code > (no standard C library, much of which gawk would need). > > Even in that limited context, we spent a frustrating (non-zero) > amount of time stumbling over bugs. > Standard C has moved on, and the Plan 9 C compilers have not kept up. > They're still fine for Plan 9 C code, but given the choice > I wouldn't throw anything else at them. > > Best, > Russ > 9fans / 9fans / see discussions + participants + delivery options Permali= nk Years back I spent some time getting the 9k kernel compiling with Go's C compilers. It's been a long time so I don't remember everything I had to do, but it wasn't a straight-across change and we ended up deciding that since the Go compilers were being maintained specifically to compile Go, it wouldn't be a good idea to hitch our wagon to them lest they make some Go-focused changes which break our stuff. john ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T4d77cc95ab4ed70c-Ma6467= d9eedaa83ac761e35da Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription