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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello mein names ist __insert name here___ this is not a 9front mailing list ps: this is ... when it was setup there was no 9front 9front is a breakaway republic designed to initially enhance P.8.72... pps: the problem with break-away republic is that they may initially have the best of intentions but soon realise that they may not have the resources... a bit like my friend sam... /c:2022Jan23 On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 10:44 AM Richard Miller <9fans@hamnavoe.com> wrote: > > !rc (and the rest of the boot) is one of the first things implemented > uniquely by 9front. >=20 > I think there's a little bit of confusion about different stages of > booting. >=20 > The 9boot program loads the kernel. The original Plan 9 9boot is driven > by configuration variables in a plan9.ini file. Cinap's rewritten 9boot > adds the capability of interactively changing configuration variables from > the console before loading the kernel. That's really useful, especially > when experimenting with new kernels or new hardware. But 9boot does not > contain a shell or a built-in file system, so it doesn't allow you to > type !rc and get an interactive shell. >=20 > Once the kernel is loaded, the first thing it does is to execute the > command /boot/boot from a small root filesystem which is built into the > kernel. The main job of /boot/boot is to attach to the real root filesyst= em > (on a local device or from a network server) and execute /$cputype/init to > start the system. Historically the usual case is for /boot/boot to > be a specialised program built from C source in /sys/src/9/boot. 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Yakku was stuck at the 'Boot from' > prompt within /9boot, unable to find a kernel to boot. >=20 ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tb5aaf646618a421a-Mc331e= 608a02e4f563305aea1 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription --0000000000003dc58805d640cc13 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hello mein names ist __insert name here__= _

this is not a 9front mailing list
ps= : this is ...
when it was setup there was no 9front
9fr= ont is a breakaway republic designed to initially enhance P.8.72...
pps: the problem with break-away republic is that they may initially
have the best of intentions but soon realise that they may not
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have the resources... a bit like my friend sam... /c:2022Jan23

On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 10:44 AM Richard Miller <9fans@hamnavoe.com> wrote:
> !rc (and the rest of the boot= ) is one of the first things implemented uniquely by 9front.

I think there's a little bit of confusion about different stages of boo= ting.

The 9boot program loads the kernel. The original Plan 9 9boot is driven
by configuration variables in a plan9.ini file. Cinap's rewritten 9boot=
adds the capability of interactively changing configuration variables from<= br /> the console before loading the kernel. That's really useful, especially=
when experimenting with new kernels or new hardware. But 9boot does not
contain a shell or a built-in file system, so it doesn't allow you to type !rc and get an interactive shell.

Once the kernel is loaded, the first thing it does is to execute the
command /boot/boot from a small root filesystem which is built into the
kernel. The main job of /boot/boot is to attach to the real root filesystem=
(on a local device or from a network server) and execute /$cputype/init to<= br /> start the system. Historically the usual case is for /boot/boot to
be a specialised program built from C source in /sys/src/9/boot. But it
has always been possible to configure a kernel with a shell script as
/boot/boot - see for example /sys/lib/sysconfig/ppc/boot for the PowerPC, or /sys/src/9/bcm/bootwifi.rc for a Raspberry Pi accessing its root file server via wifi.

So, using a shell script as /boot/boot is not unique to 9front. But
with 9front, it has become the default. This means there's always a
shell inside the kernel, along with a few commands, ready to use
interactively when !rc is invoked - after the kernel is loaded, but
before the final root filesystem is attached.

The kernel on the 9legacy install CD doesn't have a shell script as
/boot/boot with the ability to invoke !rc. Perhaps it should. But that
wouldn't have helped in this case. Yakku was stuck at the 'Boot fro= m'
prompt within /9boot, unable to find a kernel to boot.


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