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From: Conor Williams <conor.williams@gmail.com>
To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] GSoC 2021 project ideas
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 08:39:28 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAL6pNZ_pOZsr2nSdSFjACtProJ-dufHESh=uis2we+8RdceFug@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAL6pNZ-+2H0PL9xGUcD2fEmA1_xRU6u5+5g218ycnv3zfak9gQ@mail.gmail.com>

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if it is a vfat filesystem it is ok....

On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 8:37 AM Conor Williams <conor.williams@gmail.com>
wrote:

> some of the fuseblk disc/k drivers/modules on peppermint which is a
> flavour of ubuntu
> are not even in the kernel space and there are mount.XYZ processes left
> open which are
> wide open to attack (with # fuser -p <PID>) /c09
> for those chips tings
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 8:24 AM hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> i think the main reason people are willing to fall for the android
>> platform is bec. there is no good long-term supply of updated phone
>> hardware with backwards-compatible interfaces.
>>
>> a lot of qualcomm and mediatek chipsets are being built, but instead
>> of documentation they only ship half-baked linux drivers, which are
>> often not even mainlined.
>>
>> those linux drivers are already hard to make work on actual linux
>> distributions, or even on android distributions.
>>
>> who wants to reverse-engineer the hardware over and over again based
>> on such linux drivers...
>>
>> On 9/20/21, Ethan Gardener <eekee57@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>> > tl;dr: forget inferno, port plan 9 to the pine phone.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Sep 20, 2021, at 6:43 AM, Dave Eckhardt wrote:
>> >> > Anyone know if this project went anywhere?
>> >> >
>> >> > https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~412/lectures/L05_Purge_Proposal.pdf
>> >
>> > I had to laugh at one of the slides. Inferno running natively on "x86
>> > supercomputer"? I think implementing multicore support would be a first
>> > step, not to mention 64-bit! While it would be nice if those jobs were
>> done,
>> > they will take time and effort. Overall, if porting natively, I see
>> little
>> > sense in preferring Inferno to Plan 9, especially as Plan 9 already
>> supports
>> > 64-bit multicore.
>> >
>> >> Sadly, not.  One issue is that modern Android releases don't
>> >> support 32-bit executables, and at the time that project was
>> >> attempted Inferno was somewhat 32-bit (I haven't looked since).
>> >
>> > Recalling the issues Hellaphone had and the time it took, I'm of the
>> opinion
>> > that getting Inferno to work on any given phone's Linux kernel is hardly
>> > more worthwhile than porting it directly to the hardware. The kernels
>> have
>> > undocumented interfaces.
>> >
>> > A current thread on OSdev (operating system development) forums is
>> looking
>> > at phones. It's a little rambly, but it reports on some encouraging
>> things.
>> > Lots of "baseband processors" (the phone-network communication
>> subsystems)
>> > have documented interfaces. There are at least 2 phones available now
>> which
>> > are fully open for operating system development: the PinePhone and the
>> > Librem 5. (5 is the screen size.) Of the 2, the Pine Phone seems
>> better, not
>> > least because it can boot from the SD card; useful for testing.
>> > https://forum.osdev.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=53251
>> >
>> > There's also the option of building your own phone out of components.
>> The
>> > thread has some info. I'm guessing most here would prefer a PinePhone.
>> >
>> >> But I think I saw some recent-ish Inferno-on-Android activity here:
>> >>
>> >>   https://github.com/bhgv/Inferno-OS-bhgv
>> >
>> > That's probably a good source of code. bhgv is a freelance programmer
>> who
>> > was very interested in Inferno and made several improvements including
>> > Truetype fonts. The last I heard was he tried to find paid work
>> involving
>> > Inferno but couldn't, so he didn't have time to work on it.

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-20  8:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-01-29 19:23 [9fans] Plan 9 Applying to GSoC 2021 Anthony Sorace
2021-02-01  0:31 ` ~vidak
2021-02-01  9:35   ` sirjofri
2021-02-01 11:07     ` svaderaa
2021-02-01 11:26   ` Bakul Shah
2021-02-02  1:15     ` raingloom
2021-02-01  7:16 ` [9fans] GSoC 2021 project ideas (WAS: Re: Plan 9 Applying to GSoC 2021) cigar562hfsp952fans
2021-02-01 20:46   ` Steve Simon
2021-02-03 14:14     ` Ethan Gardener
2021-02-01 21:47   ` [9fans] GSoC 2021 project ideas sirjofri
2021-02-03 14:07     ` Ethan Gardener
2021-08-06 16:25     ` Jack Johnson
2021-08-19 21:06       ` unobe
2021-09-20  4:52       ` [9fans] " cigar562hfsp952fans
2021-09-20  5:08         ` Conor Williams
2021-09-20  5:11         ` vidak
2021-09-20 15:02           ` ori
2021-09-20  5:43       ` [9fans] " Dave Eckhardt
2021-09-20  7:51         ` Ethan Gardener
2021-09-20  8:23           ` hiro
2021-09-20  8:37             ` Conor Williams
2021-09-20  8:39               ` Conor Williams [this message]
2021-09-20  8:45                 ` Conor Williams
2021-09-20  8:52                   ` Conor Williams
2021-09-20  8:58                     ` Conor Williams
2021-09-20 11:06                       ` Conor Williams
2021-09-21  9:01             ` Ethan Gardener
2021-09-20 11:05           ` sirjofri
2021-09-20 11:08             ` Conor Williams
2021-09-20 14:01               ` sirjofri
2021-09-21  9:25             ` Ethan Gardener
2021-02-02  8:29   ` [9fans] GSoC 2021 project ideas (WAS: Re: Plan 9 Applying to GSoC 2021) tlaronde
2021-02-03 15:07     ` Ethan Gardener
2021-01-19 11:08       ` pouya+lists.9fans
2021-02-03 18:58         ` Ethan Gardener
2021-02-06  2:17     ` David Arroyo
2021-02-03 18:26   ` ori
2021-02-03 23:31   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2021-02-05 16:42   ` Ethan Gardener
2021-02-07 22:59     ` [9fans] Re: GSoC 2021 project ideas cigar562hfsp952fans
2021-02-09  0:26       ` Steve Simon
2021-02-09  1:59         ` [9fans] " Jeff Sickel
2021-02-09  0:34       ` [9fans] " Ethan Gardener
2021-02-02  5:30 ` [9fans] Plan 9 Applying to GSoC 2021 ori
2021-02-02 10:40 ` [9fans] Project idea (was: Plan 9 Applying to GSoC 2021) sirjofri
2021-02-02 16:07 ` [9fans] Re: Plan 9 Applying to GSoC 2021 Jeff Sickel

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