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From: Don Bailey <don.bailey@gmail.com>
To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9.
Date: Wed, 15 May 2024 11:56:29 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAL_X0tA8+EU4YR-R3fH6n6t8sFKmZCMqcpF0=WK51d=yoWWNQg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aafc1d5f-3e9c-4ccd-878b-9db4d25e0b84@posixcafe.org>

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Yeah but that's the thing... "explained in this list" works while the
discussion is being had. But searching for that and attempting to grok the
discussion and the context of discussion at a later date? Not so much. Some
centralized documentation should be used to make these decisions clear. In
the commit messages is not sufficient, either. One still must search
through the commit messages and identify the branch/context/etc. Plus, you
have to /know/ about what you are looking for, if something was removed. A
separate document that outlines these removed/altered/added items, and the
rationale/context, would solve that. Does that help illuminate the problem
I'm discussing?

On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 11:53 AM Jacob Moody <moody@posixcafe.org> wrote:

> On 5/15/24 10:20, Don Bailey wrote:
> > This is part of the issue I've had with 9front. If there are valid
> reasons for things to disappear or not be used, that's OK. But please
> document them and provide rationale/evidence for their removal. That way,
> even if another group chooses not to remove those items, they can learn
> from other teams' decision making. This is especially imperative for file
> system stability, for those that have not had trouble with Fossil, but need
> to understand that it is problematic enough to be pulled from
> > 9front. How was the lack-of-stability tested? To what degree was it
> tested? etc.
> 
> I think many of the reasons and rational has been explained in this list.
> Really we don't entirely rip out programs often.
> It's fairly rare. This change was made fairly early on in 9front's
> history, I think things would have gone over different
> these days. A technical write-up would be nice, sure I don't disagree but
> I think people just wanted to stop dealing with
> the crash reports and lost data and get back to spending time on code they
> enjoyed to work on.
> 
> For what it is worth I think our commit messages these days are quite
> descriptive of the problem being addressed, the details
> put in commonly directly include the crash repro or failure state or
> technical description as to why things were done.
> Also a huge portion of things are discussed on irc, nearly everything that
> gets put in to the system is discussed with
> at least 1 additional person and usually more depending on the weight of
> the patch. There is a lot of thought that
> goes in to what changes these days.
> 

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2024-05-08 16:06 [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front Lucio De Re
2024-05-08 16:29 ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-08 19:16   ` vester.thacker
2024-05-08 20:10     ` hiro
2024-05-08 21:52       ` vic.thacker
2024-05-09  9:05         ` wb.kloke
2024-05-09 11:05           ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-09 14:04             ` wb.kloke
2024-05-09 16:30               ` kvik
2024-05-09 14:07             ` Lucas Francesco
2024-05-09 14:13               ` ori
2024-05-10 10:58                 ` Richard Miller
2024-05-10 13:01                   ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-10 14:24                   ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-11 18:25                   ` hiro
2024-05-11 19:15                     ` Dan Cross
2024-05-11 19:34                       ` hiro
2024-05-11 19:59                         ` Dan Cross
2024-05-11 20:16                           ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-11 20:21                             ` Dan Cross
2024-05-12 13:16                             ` [9fans] one weird trick to break p9sk1 ? Richard Miller
2024-05-12 13:59                               ` tlaronde
2024-05-12 14:25                               ` hiro
2024-05-12 16:43                                 ` Richard Miller
2024-05-12 17:09                                   ` hiro
2024-05-13 10:32                                     ` Richard Miller
2024-05-13 11:00                                       ` hiro
2024-05-12 22:43                                   ` Dan Cross
2024-05-13 11:41                                     ` Richard Miller
2024-05-13 12:47                                     ` Richard Miller
2024-05-13 12:51                                       ` Charles Forsyth
2024-05-13 13:02                                         ` David du Colombier
2024-05-13 13:05                                         ` [9fans] golang dependency on python3 Richard Miller
2024-05-13 14:13                                       ` [9fans] one weird trick to break p9sk1 ? hiro
2024-05-12 15:19                               ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-12 18:19                               ` ori
2024-05-12 20:10                                 ` ori
2024-05-13 10:18                                   ` Richard Miller
2024-05-13 10:48                                     ` hiro
2024-05-13 13:48                                     ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-13 15:06                                       ` Richard Miller
2024-05-12 21:15                               ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-12 18:23                         ` [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front hiro
2024-05-09 10:55         ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-17 16:16           ` Noam Preil
2024-05-18 19:08             ` [9fans] fossil Richard Miller
2024-05-09 19:50         ` [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front hiro
2024-05-10  4:44           ` [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front) vic.thacker
2024-05-10  7:33             ` Lallero
2024-05-10  8:47               ` vic.thacker
2024-05-10  9:07                 ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-10 10:21                   ` qwx via 9fans
2024-05-10 11:53                     ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-10 12:20                       ` Lallero
2024-05-10 12:38                       ` thedaemon via 9fans
2024-05-10 13:19                         ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-10 13:18                       ` qwx via 9fans
2024-05-10 13:38                       ` kvik
2024-05-10 14:54                         ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-11 16:26                           ` hiro
2024-05-11 22:12                             ` vic.thacker
2024-05-11 22:27                               ` hiro
2024-05-11 22:50                                 ` vic.thacker
2024-05-12  0:43                                   ` ori
2024-05-12  2:55                                     ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-12  7:19                                       ` plan6
2024-05-12 11:45                                         ` vic.thacker
2024-05-12 11:53                                           ` hiro
2024-05-12 11:56                                             ` vester.thacker
2024-05-12 12:18                                               ` plan6
2024-05-12 12:41                                                 ` vester.thacker
2024-05-12 13:11                                                   ` hiro
2024-05-12 13:21                                                     ` plan6
2024-05-12 13:47                                                     ` vic.thacker
2024-05-12 13:23                                                   ` qwx via 9fans
2024-05-12 15:11                                                     ` vic.thacker
2024-05-12 15:55                                                       ` hiro
2024-05-12 16:56                                                         ` vester.thacker
2024-05-12 13:11                                                 ` plan6
2024-05-12 13:09                                               ` hiro
2024-05-12 18:36                                           ` ori
2024-05-13  0:21                                             ` vester.thacker
2024-05-13  1:32                                               ` ori
2024-05-13  1:46                                                 ` Dan Cross
2024-05-13  1:56                                                   ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-13  3:09                                                   ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-13  3:52                                                     ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  4:06                                                       ` vic.thacker
2024-05-13  4:42                                                       ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-13  5:16                                                         ` clinton
2024-05-13  5:33                                                       ` ron minnich
2024-05-13  5:54                                                         ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  6:07                                                           ` ron minnich
2024-05-13  6:14                                                           ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-13  7:44                                                         ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  8:10                                                           ` sirjofri
2024-05-13  8:42                                                             ` [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9 vic.thacker
2024-05-13  9:38                                                               ` hiro
2024-05-13 11:55                                                                 ` vic.thacker
2024-05-13 12:56                                                                   ` hiro
2024-05-13 13:59                                                                     ` G B via 9fans
2024-05-13 21:01                                                                       ` vic.thacker
2024-05-13 21:17                                                                     ` vic.thacker
2024-05-14 14:12                                                                       ` B. Atticus Grobe
2024-05-14 16:02                                                                         ` vic.thacker
2024-05-14 16:30                                                                           ` B. Atticus Grobe
2024-05-14 16:39                                                                             ` arnold
2024-05-14 17:54                                                                               ` Steve Simon
2024-05-14 18:38                                                                                 ` vic.thacker
2024-05-14 19:05                                                                                 ` tlaronde
2024-05-14 19:44                                                                                   ` Wes Kussmaul
2024-05-16 11:51                                                                                     ` tlaronde
2024-05-14 23:19                                                                                   ` michaelian ennis
2024-05-15  4:46                                                                                     ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-15  5:55                                                                                       ` Clarifying Lucio's Additional Requests [Was: Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9. ] vic.thacker
2024-05-15  6:11                                                                                         ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15  6:41                                                                                           ` vic.thacker
2024-05-15  7:39                                                                                             ` plan6
2024-05-15  9:17                                                                                               ` vic.thacker
2024-05-15 10:08                                                                                                 ` sirjofri
2024-05-15 10:35                                                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-15 12:04                                                                                                   ` vic.thacker
2024-05-15  8:38                                                                                             ` sirjofri
2024-05-15  9:25                                                                                               ` Aleksandar Kuktin
2024-05-15 13:58                                                                                               ` vic.thacker
2024-05-15 14:18                                                                                                 ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 14:56                                                                                                   ` sirjofri
2024-05-15 15:04                                                                                                     ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 15:20                                                                                                       ` sirjofri
2024-05-15 15:34                                                                                                         ` Jens Staal
2024-05-15 15:26                                                                                                       ` hiro
2024-05-15 15:20                                                                                                   ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 14:52                                                                                                 ` ori
2024-05-15 13:29                                                                                             ` ori
2024-05-15  6:04                                                                                       ` [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9 Jacob Moody
2024-05-15  9:02                                                                                         ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-15  9:04                                                                                           ` hiro
2024-05-15 13:38                                                                                           ` ori
2024-05-15 14:35                                                                                           ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 15:18                                                                                             ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-15 15:20                                                                                               ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 15:39                                                                                                 ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-15 15:53                                                                                                   ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 16:10                                                                                                     ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-15 16:20                                                                                                       ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 16:51                                                                                                         ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-15 16:54                                                                                                           ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 17:00                                                                                                             ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-15 17:03                                                                                                         ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 17:36                                                                                                           ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-15 18:32                                                                                                             ` hiro
2024-05-15 22:06                                                                                                               ` Steve Simon
2024-05-15 22:17                                                                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-15 22:38                                                                                                                   ` Steve Simon
2024-05-16  9:17                                                                                                                     ` hiro
2024-05-17 16:51                                                                                                     ` Noam Preil
2024-05-17 17:37                                                                                                       ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-17 18:45                                                                                                         ` Noam Preil
2024-05-18 12:58                                                                                                           ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-17 18:11                                                                                                       ` [9fans] fossil [was: List of companies that use Plan 9.] Richard Miller
2024-05-17 18:14                                                                                                         ` Noam Preil
2024-05-17 19:14                                                                                                           ` David du Colombier
2024-05-17 19:45                                                                                                             ` wb.kloke
2024-05-18 13:53                                                                                                             ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-18 14:06                                                                                                               ` Charles Forsyth
2024-05-18 14:24                                                                                                                 ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-15 15:52                                                                                                 ` [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9 Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 15:56                                                                                                   ` Don Bailey [this message]
2024-05-15 16:06                                                                                                     ` hiro
2024-05-15 16:13                                                                                                       ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 16:22                                                                                                         ` hiro
2024-05-15 16:28                                                                                                           ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 16:17                                                                                                     ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 16:21                                                                                                       ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 16:27                                                                                                         ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 15:56                                                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-15 15:28                                                                                               ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 15:57                                                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-15 16:19                                                                                                   ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 15:36                                                                                               ` hiro
2024-05-14 17:30                                                                             ` vic.thacker
2024-05-15  5:48                                                               ` John the Scott
2024-05-15  9:34                                                                 ` vic.thacker
2024-05-15 13:18                                                                 ` Wes Kussmaul
2024-05-15 13:46                                                                   ` vester.thacker
2024-05-17 16:26                                                               ` Noam Preil
2024-05-17 17:30                                                                 ` vester.thacker
2024-05-13  9:22                                                             ` [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front) ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  9:56                                                               ` vic.thacker
2024-05-13  9:57                                                               ` sirjofri
2024-05-13 10:12                                                                 ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 10:40                                                                   ` sirjofri
2024-05-13 11:01                                                                     ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 11:26                                                                       ` hiro
2024-05-13 12:08                                                                         ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 13:35                                                                           ` G B via 9fans
2024-05-13 13:50                                                                             ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 14:26                                                                           ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 14:32                                                                             ` ori
2024-05-13 14:47                                                                               ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 11:15                                                                   ` hiro
2024-05-13 11:12                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-13 15:03                                                               ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-13 15:20                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-13  6:01                                                       ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-13  6:18                                                         ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  6:23                                                           ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-13  6:55                                                         ` tlaronde
2024-05-13  7:27                                                           ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  7:47                                                             ` tlaronde
2024-05-13  8:00                                                             ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 10:04                                                       ` hiro
2024-05-13 10:52                                                         ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 11:13                                                           ` Ori Bernstein
2024-05-13  2:16                                                 ` clinton
2024-05-13  2:33                                                   ` ori
2024-05-13  2:36                                                   ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-13  3:02                                                     ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  7:55                                                   ` adventures in9
2024-05-13 10:43                                                     ` hiro
2024-05-13  3:45                                                 ` vic.thacker
2024-05-13  5:45                                                   ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  6:04                                                     ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  6:22                                                       ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-13  6:21                                                     ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-13  6:58                                                       ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 10:27                                                       ` hiro
2024-05-13  1:37                                               ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-13  2:53                                               ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  9:38                                               ` hiro
2024-05-13  9:45                                                 ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 11:11                                                   ` hiro
2024-05-13 11:56                                                     ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 14:01                                                       ` hiro
2024-05-13 14:39                                                       ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-13 14:46                                                         ` ori
2024-05-13 15:04                                                         ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 15:56                                                           ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 16:41                                                             ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-13 17:01                                                             ` Ori Bernstein
2024-05-13 17:59                                                               ` adventures in9
2024-05-13 18:07                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-17 11:45                                                                 ` Matt Wilbur
2024-05-13 18:04                                                             ` hiro
2024-05-17 10:06                                                               ` samuel.reader via 9fans
2024-05-17 11:09                                                                 ` ori
2024-05-17 11:11                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-17 11:32                                                                   ` plan6
2024-05-17 12:14                                                                     ` hiro
2024-05-17 13:50                                                                       ` Clout Tolstoy
2024-05-17 14:22                                                                         ` Samuel Reader via 9fans
2024-05-17 14:35                                                                           ` hiro
2024-05-17 14:58                                                                           ` Dave Eckhardt
2024-05-17 15:36                                                                           ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-17 12:31                                                                     ` qwx via 9fans
2024-05-17 12:43                                                                       ` Samuel Reader via 9fans
2024-05-17 14:14                                                                         ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-17 14:20                                                                           ` hiro
2024-05-17 14:46                                                                             ` Michael Kerpan
2024-05-17 14:59                                                                               ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-17 15:58                                                                               ` hiro
2024-05-17 16:59                                                                               ` Noam Preil
2024-05-17 17:22                                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-17 17:50                                                                                   ` fig
2024-05-17 18:03                                                                                     ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-17 20:09                                                                                       ` hiro
2024-05-17 20:06                                                                                     ` hiro
2024-05-17 23:08                                                                                       ` fig
2024-05-17 23:32                                                                                         ` hiro
2024-05-17 14:49                                                                           ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-17 15:48                                                                             ` vester.thacker
2024-05-17 16:12                                                                         ` Noam Preil
2024-05-17 12:47                                                                     ` ori
2024-05-17 15:51                                                                     ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-18  3:32                                                                       ` vester.thacker
2024-05-18  7:10                                                                         ` sirjofri
2024-05-17 12:26                                                               ` samuel.reader via 9fans
2024-05-17 12:49                                                                 ` Steve Simon
2024-05-17 15:02                                                                   ` plan6
2024-05-17 13:11                                                                 ` hiro
     [not found]                                       ` <2eaaa7c4-ea43-4c97-bf33-9a78964debb3@app.fastmail.com>
     [not found]                                         ` <4a1cb1b6-869d-4697-8d63-fd949f6be596@posixcafe.org>
2024-05-12 11:40                                           ` vic.thacker
2024-05-17 16:23               ` Noam Preil
2024-05-10  8:17           ` [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front Lucio De Re
2024-05-10  8:26             ` Charles Forsyth
2024-05-10  8:48               ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-11 16:37               ` hiro
2024-05-10 17:09             ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-11  9:45               ` David du Colombier
2024-05-11 19:51                 ` hiro
2024-05-11 19:59                   ` Dan Cross
2024-05-11 20:04                     ` hiro
2024-05-11 20:08                       ` Dan Cross
2024-05-11 20:29                         ` hiro
2024-05-11 20:58                           ` Skip Tavakkolian
2024-05-11 21:03                             ` hiro
2024-05-11 21:14                               ` Skip Tavakkolian

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