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Wed, 15 May 2024 09:21:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4FB3A3BB-1CFA-4BC7-9DC2-CC9138B8325C@gmail.com> <2ff4cb73-352f-44e1-844b-5bb6cc92e1fe@posixcafe.org> <04a0afc1-6440-47b3-957c-0071ad88b117@posixcafe.org> In-Reply-To: From: Don Bailey Date: Wed, 15 May 2024 12:21:01 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9. 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D On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 12:19=E2=80=AFPM Jacob Moody = wrote: > On 5/15/24 10:56, Don Bailey wrote: > > Yeah but that's the thing... "explained in this list" works while the > discussion is being had. But searching for that and attempting to grok the > discussion and the context of discussion at a later date? Not so much. So= me > centralized documentation should be used to make these decisions clear. In > the commit messages is not sufficient, either. One still must search > through the commit messages and identify the branch/context/etc. Plus, you > have to /know/ about what you are looking for, if something > > was removed. A separate document that outlines these > removed/altered/added items, and the rationale/context, would solve that. > Does that help illuminate the problem I'm discussing? >=20 > Who exactly is the audience here? If the audience is developers then the > commit message is fine, if someone wants to know why code was changed that > is where you put the reasoning. > People here like to work on code, less so on writing up whatever > justification you personally feel is sufficient to warrant whatever we're > doing. I already stated that I think > these days more rationale and notice would be given to people for a change > that big, things are trending towards what I think you want. >=20 > If however you (or someone else) wanted to do what you are asking us to > do, which is spend the significant time it takes to demonstrably prove th= at > fossil is _not_ busted > as we think it is and present it to us that would make for a compelling > argument for inclusion. Perhaps what you do could become the standard for > how these large changes > are documented going forward. >=20 > Or if you'd like to start with a fork and/or raise your own community with > this high level of standard for code changes I would absolutely encourage > you to do so, if > that is truly a better way of doing open source then it will be evident. > But right now I can't help but read this as asking us (people writing code > for 9front) to do > more work to appease you when you are not interested in helping get that > work done. >=20 ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tad3dc0c93039a7d2-Ma45e0= 253b479829aece635bc Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription --000000000000d1de9706188081b0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 12:19 PM Jacob Moody <moody@posixcafe.org> wrote:
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On 5/15/24 10:56, Do= n Bailey wrote:
> Yeah but that's the thing... "explained in this list" wo= rks while the discussion is being had. But searching for that and attemptin= g to grok the discussion and the context of discussion at a later date? Not= so much. Some centralized documentation should be used to make these decis= ions clear. In the commit messages is not sufficient, either. One still mus= t search through the commit messages and identify the branch/context/etc. P= lus, you have to /know/ about what you are looking for, if something
> was removed. A separate document that outlines these removed/altered/a= dded items, and the rationale/context, would solve that. Does that help ill= uminate the problem I'm discussing? 

Who exactly is the audience here? If the audience is developers then the co= mmit message is fine, if someone wants to know why code was changed that is= where you put the reasoning.
People here like to work on code, less so on writing up whatever justificat= ion you personally feel is sufficient to warrant whatever we're doing. = I already stated that I think
these days more rationale and notice would be given to people for a change = that big, things are trending towards what I think you want.

If however you (or someone else) wanted to do what you are asking us to do,= which is spend the significant time it takes to demonstrably prove that fo= ssil is _not_ busted
as we think it is and present it to us that would make for a compelling arg= ument for inclusion. Perhaps what you do could become the standard for how = these large changes
are documented going forward.

Or if you'd like to start with a fork and/or raise your own community w= ith this high level of standard for code changes I would absolutely encoura= ge you to do so, if
that is truly a better way of doing open source then it will be evident. Bu= t right now I can't help but read this as asking us (people writing cod= e for 9front) to do
more work to appease you when you are not interested in helping get that wo= rk done.


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