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Thu, 25 Jan 2024 10:54:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7e4d32d6-6b75-47d9-9547-e46a0943845e@posixcafe.org> In-Reply-To: From: Don Bailey Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2024 13:54:33 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. 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On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 1:50 PM Jacob Moody <moody@posixcafe.org> wrote:
It doesn't ma= tter if one is "mainline" or not, you've completely missed th= e point of my mail.
One is usable and the other is not. One has a community, the other does not= . One has people
who share source, there other does not. Put your time where your mouth is a= nd do something
about the sorry state of "mainline". Where is the work? Where is = the code? Again all I see
are snarky comments and bullshit.

Or perhaps you're more interested in hoarding code so you can sit aroun= d stroking your
ego about ideological purity. Doesn't make any difference to me. Honest= ly hope you do
walk away from Plan 9 because its clear that your attitude sucks.


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