On Wed, May 15, 2024, at 17:38, sirjofri wrote:
> Hey vic,
...
> Write your mails. Write them, don't send them. Read them again
> carefully and think about the people reading it. They most likely
> understand as much as you, and they have all the track record of
> earlier discussions, so they very likely understand more than you.
> Things are as they are for a reason. Not always for a good reason, but
> for a reason. After thinking about your mail and the recipient, you may
> revise/rewrite your mail or just throw it away.
>
> Last, we're not a company. People who do the work are the ones
> organizing. Those people don't like to see strangers organizing their
> stuff without any contribution. If you can write software, try to
> organize yourself and give something back to the community. Hunt for
> bugs and fix them, or write tools that helps people, or improve the
> documentation. This should help the community much more than top-level
> organization when there is no top-level.
Thanks, Sirjofri, I really appreciate your message.
I'll keep things more casual in this message. I didn't use Strunk & White, which would have really annoyed people, but I agree that my posts have been rushed and barely revised.
I wanted to classify the topics to see if anyone was already working on them as it wasn't apparent. Some developers can be very territorial, and I didn't want to step into a mess. My plan was to ask around next. I see that the current team is very happy with the status quo.
If the hacker culture rules are necessary, I'm definitely not a good fit. I should step aside to avoid being disruptive. I've been programming for a long time, and I work in a very different manner. I'd rather avoid the drama I've experienced the past few days. I can only imagine the hell it must be to contribute. I don't mean that in an offensive way, but I'm just looking back on the hazing that has been happening. **heavy sigh**
I was told this is a flat model, yet I see there is a meritocracy and outdated rules as well as too much hazing occurring. Hazing alone is enough to off put someone. I surmise there is too much entitlement occurring which results in both hazing and a cancel culture. I am not trying to persuade you or anyone on 9fans, but rather I just want to show you what I see. I've worked on 160 million USD projects and have needed to fix personnel issues. I know this is not a company, but anyone that cannot see there are issues here has their head in the sand. I hope you take my comments as constructive. The intention of my comments to make things better.
You've helped me see that I'm not a good cultural fit, which is good to know early.
Again, thank you very much for your advice. Let me share a letter with you that I wrote to Bakul and then I'll leave 9fans.
Thank you and goodbye.
Hi Bakul,
Thanks for reaching out. I trust you are well.
I have my own personal Plan 9 distribution that I have been using
for years, circa 2006. 9legacy and 9front are great, but I find it
challenging to contribute. However, the 9legacy community has
been much more friendly and helpful as you can imagine. I am
grateful for past help.
Whenever I witness the challenges faced between 9legacy and
9front communities, I can't help but feel responsible.
Looking back, I see that my youthful inexperience played a role
in deepening the rift between Plan 9 and what would become
9front. At the time, I failed to bridge the gap between influential
opposition members, such as Uriel and 20h, and the foundational
members of the community, like Russ Cox and others. Now, as I
contemplate my legacy, my goal was to somehow mend the
division and foster unity among the communities before my time
ends. I think I could have prevented the need for 9front years ago
and the community would had been in a better state today. That
is my biggest regret that I have. That is one reason why I isolate
myself. I am just not a good mediator nor communicator.
Sadly, I don't have what it takes to bridge the gap. I think that my
idea of mending the communities is too grand. Also, I'm saddened
to see the more I try to help the worse the situation becomes.
Kind regards,
Vic
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