I'm not sure what all this was, so I didn't read most of it.

If 9front becomes the "mainline" 9, I will stop using 9 altogether. Both as
a user and a developer.

I trust the sources that come from 9legacy/9pio but I don't have any
interest in the mess of whatever 9front is supposed to be.

D

On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 11:40 AM hiro via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote:

> > I am not a fan of the weird 9front split from the standard repo. I’d
> prefer the sources to be managed by the foundation and would like to only
> receive patches through them.
> 
> Are you speaking as part of the foundation? As a developer? Or as a User?
> 
> Me, as a user, I would also appreciate if the foundation (or the real
> bell-labs unix room heritage, before the foundation existed) would
> "manage" something. for example  development and continuous hosting of
> the sources server. This doesn't seem to be the case.
> 
> I also would appreciate the making available of patches by the
> foundation. I have no clue where their codebase is moving in the last
> few years as there was no single commit (or even simple patch via
> email) received from them.
> 
> I think the reason the 9front repo is continuing to stay split "off"
> is because the bell-labs servers have all been shut down. As a result
> the community has stepped in to donate their own time, money, server
> resources, sweat and blood, etc. to keep a usable plan 9 version and
> community (that is willing to stay patches) alive.
> 
> It is extremely unfortunate, but the pressure behind the freely
> contributed code ended up being stronger than the ability to negotiate
> with the empty halls of bell-labs. So as a result lots of community
> members are able to contribute quite effectively.
> 
> To me the legend of what must have been the unix room will always stay
> alive, and I will continue to use it as a benchmark to measure my own
> team's success against. But if I cannot be part of the group of cool
> kids that came out of this, I can at least have my own bell-labs, with
> blackjack and hookers. In my head.
> 
> Don, I wish you great technical collaborations. At least this is what
> I have came here for, and have tried to take what caused awe in me and
> keep them alive and infect others with all that. Maybe you can submit
> another patch to sources some day soon.
> 
> hiro

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