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Thu, 25 Jan 2024 09:22:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7e4d32d6-6b75-47d9-9547-e46a0943845e@posixcafe.org> In-Reply-To: <7e4d32d6-6b75-47d9-9547-e46a0943845e@posixcafe.org> From: Don Bailey Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2024 12:22:30 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks] To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000000000000572557060fc86def Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 5cb1cb92-bba6-11ee-aefa-d92c5f0be243 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UNDJmMTFlMDI2NWJjZmExOC1NNGI1Zjk0MTNjMjliZGNhOTRlMmY1?= =?UTF-8?B?NjVmPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M4b5f9413c29bdca94e2f565f:1:HuVUPBAdDPigB-rUgEJIyQVQIXnKw5H1LgHY1oWhgWM --000000000000572557060fc86def Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds like you're happy keeping 9front separate from "mainline", then. Works for me :-) On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 12:20=E2=80=AFPM Jacob Moody = wrote: > On 1/25/24 09:35, Don Bailey wrote: > > Direction comes from people writing code... but you write code for > 9front, yes? What does that have to do with mainline Plan 9? And what does > that have to do with the direction set forth by the people that actually > designed it? >=20 > There is no "path for patches" in 9legacy, if I wanted to write code for > "mainline Plan 9" who do > I send to code to? Who is going to help review and bug test my code. You > mentioned earlier that > you had ported Plan 9 to other systems, is that code available anywhere, > was that upstreamed into > "mainline Plan 9". 9front happened, as Ori stated, because there was no > path forward with "mainline > Plan 9". >=20 > When I looked in to Plan 9 some 5ish years ago and looking at both camps > of folks it was clear to me > that one group was going to look at my patches, work on my hardware, and > had an active community. >=20 > If y'all wanted to set up a pipeline for patches, encourage folks to send > in their patches and make > some repo for folks to work on then yeah sure. But right now there really > isn't a comparison between > what "mainline plan 9" is and 9front, one is a museum and the other is a > living distribution. There is > of course Miller's branch, which I respect as being active and actually > usable, but I have a feeling you > don't consider that "mainline plan 9" either. >=20 > Look man, be the change you want to see in the world, setup the repo, > review patches, merge new code, et > all. Getting mad at us for writing the code and keeping stuff working is a > bit silly, especially if your > only reason is that we aren't the "blessed few". Those folks as far as I > can tell are not interested in > this anymore, we're on our own here. There are clearly some folks > interested here in continuing "mainline > plan 9" why not work together and get something that is easier for folks > to use? 9front will continue to > be over here with a ten year plus head start. >=20 > - moody >=20 ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T42f11e0265bcfa18-M4b5f9= 413c29bdca94e2f565f Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription --000000000000572557060fc86def Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sounds like you're happy keeping 9front se= parate from "mainline", then. Works for me :-) 



On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 12:20 PM Jacob Moody = <moody@posixcafe.org> wrot= e:
On 1/25/24 = 09:35, Don Bailey wrote:
> Direction comes from people writing code... but you write code for 9fr= ont, yes? What does that have to do with mainline Plan 9? And what does tha= t have to do with the direction set forth by the people that actually desig= ned it? 

There is no "path for patches" in 9legacy, if I wanted to write c= ode for "mainline Plan 9" who do
I send to code to? Who is going to help review and bug test my code. You me= ntioned earlier that
you had ported Plan 9 to other systems, is that code available anywhere, wa= s that upstreamed into
"mainline Plan 9". 9front happened, as Ori stated, because there = was no path forward with "mainline
Plan 9".

When I looked in to Plan 9 some 5ish years ago and looking at both camps of= folks it was clear to me
that one group was going to look at my patches, work on my hardware, and ha= d an active community.

If y'all wanted to set up a pipeline for patches, encourage folks to se= nd in their patches and make
some repo for folks to work on then yeah sure. But right now there really i= sn't a comparison between
what "mainline plan 9" is and 9front, one is a museum and the oth= er is a living distribution. There is
of course Miller's branch, which I respect as being active and actually= usable, but I have a feeling you
don't consider that "mainline plan 9" either.

Look man, be the change you want to see in the world, setup the repo, revie= w patches, merge new code, et
all. Getting mad at us for writing the code and keeping stuff working is a = bit silly, especially if your
only reason is that we aren't the "blessed few". Those folks = as far as I can tell are not interested in
this anymore, we're on our own here. There are clearly some folks inter= ested here in continuing "mainline
plan 9" why not work together and get something that is easier for fol= ks to use? 9front will continue to
be over here with a ten year plus head start.

- moody


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