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Thu, 01 Jul 2021 19:20:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210630.191534.433099114174883977.dworkin@weaselfish.com> In-Reply-To: <20210630.191534.433099114174883977.dworkin@weaselfish.com> From: Cyber Fonic Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 12:20:21 +1000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [9fans] Alternative to fine-grained mouse usage? To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000eb862705c61a9986" Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1a5d35ae-dadc-11eb-866b-8e577ab19060 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UNzE2YzVhYTBlMmFhOGEyNy1NN2I0YzE3MjNkN2I4M2MzYjMyNzg0?= =?UTF-8?B?MTM0Pg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M7b4c1723d7b83c3b32784134:1:_qIO-DAHsapSg2omGUeXR1gWIHSsyiOvprPHYpollbc --000000000000eb862705c61a9986 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I used to have serious CTS issues from using a mouse. Clenching a mouse and fine motor movement became physiologically incompatible actions for me. My simple low cost solution is to have a USB connected Logitech trackball under my right hand (I'm right handed) and a common wheel USB mouse with the optical window taped over under the left hand. Moving the mouse has no effect on the cursor/pointer. So I position the cursor/pointer with my right hand, rolling the trackball, sometimes gingerly. When I have the spot right, I raise my right hand so that the pointer stays put and then click or scroll as required with the left hand. On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 at 11:16, Dworkin Muller wrote: > I have physical issues with trying to perform fine-grained mouse > operations (uncontrollable small hand tremors). The net effect is > that anything more much specific than window selection is difficult > and takes several seconds - pretty much the antithesis of the study > results that showed that editing using the mouse to point to where you > want to type, select text, etc was as efficient as keyboard-driven > edit. To give an idea of the scale of the problem, it's difficult to > get the mouse positioned into the scrollbars or the command bar of > acme windows, let alone point between two specific characters for > inserting new text. >=20 > So, my question is, are there any viable alternatives for use with > Plan9? Throwing special hardware at the problem unfortunately isn't > all that viable mainly due to budgetary issues - all the other > environments I use support keyboard short-cuts for just about > everything, so it's hard to justify spending any significant amount of > money for what is essentially a low-priority hobby. >=20 > If the answer is just to use sam, I can do that, but it doesn't really > help the problem of needing to copy/paste previous commands in > terminal windows, etc. >=20 > Hopefully I'm missing something obvious.... >=20 > Thanks. >=20 > Dworkin ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T716c5aa0e2aa8a27-M7b4c1= 723d7b83c3b32784134 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription --000000000000eb862705c61a9986 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I used to have serious CTS issues from us= ing a mouse.  Clenching a mouse and fine motor movement became physiol= ogically incompatible actions for me.

My s= imple low cost solution is to have a USB connected Logitech trackball under= my right hand (I'm right handed) and a common wheel USB mouse with the= optical window taped over under the left hand. Moving the mouse has no eff= ect on the cursor/pointer.

So I position t= he cursor/pointer with my right hand, rolling the trackball, sometimes ging= erly. When I have the spot right, I raise my right hand so that the pointer= stays put and then click or scroll as required with the left hand.

On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 at 11:16, Dworkin Muller <dlm-9fans@weaselfish.com> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l= eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I have physical issues wit= h trying to perform fine-grained mouse
operations (uncontrollable small hand tremors).  The net effect is
that anything more much specific than window selection is difficult
and takes several seconds - pretty much the antithesis of the study
results that showed that editing using the mouse to point to where you
want to type, select text, etc was as efficient as keyboard-driven
edit.  To give an idea of the scale of the problem, it's difficult= to
get the mouse positioned into the scrollbars or the command bar of
acme windows, let alone point between two specific characters for
inserting new text.

So, my question is, are there any viable alternatives for use with
Plan9?  Throwing special hardware at the problem unfortunately isn'= ;t
all that viable mainly due to budgetary issues - all the other
environments I use support keyboard short-cuts for just about
everything, so it's hard to justify spending any significant amount of<= br /> money for what is essentially a low-priority hobby.

If the answer is just to use sam, I can do that, but it doesn't really<= br /> help the problem of needing to copy/paste previous commands in
terminal windows, etc.

Hopefully I'm missing something obvious....

Thanks.

Dworkin

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