For IoT deployments, I suppose that one processor core on the ESP32 could run the WiFi / networking stack and the other act as a CPU-like server and thus run a small number of servers to expose the interface(s) in a 9P mountable fashion to more powerful nodes.  A RT-ish kernel might suffice in most practical use cases - it is IoT after all.  In my vision for Plan9 IoT I never considered running file-server or terminal server on ESP-32 hardware. There are more capable nodes which would be better suited for those purposes.  Of course, these observations presume that the 9p protocol provides sufficient security against any ESP-32 node going rogue for whatever reason.

It has been said :  "The 'S' in IoT stands for security".  If Plan9 can address that deficiency of the current state of the art for IoT devices, then it would be a worthwhile exercise.

On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 at 00:12, Charles Forsyth <charles.forsyth@gmail.com> wrote:
There is another existing variant of ESP32 with flash and RAM, and that one would provide the external memory MMU.
It seems there could be a range from a small RT-ish kernel, with and without a user mode, on little ESP32, to a Plan 9 kernel with a few specialised processes on the bigger one.
An Inferno-like system might also straddle the boundaries.

On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 5:18 PM Charles Forsyth <charles.forsyth@gmail.com> wrote:
At a glance it looked as though the MMUs for the on-chip stuff were more suitable for Unix Seventh Edition (no later) than "full" Plan 9.
The MMU for the external memory looked fine, but as I said, the device I've got, and several other boards based on WROOM seem not
to bother with external memory. I didn't look widely, though.

The processor is adequate, I think, but double == float (there's only single precision).

The existing systems use one processor for applications, and the other mainly for communications.

I haven't had a lot of spare time, but I did the assembler and am about 3/4 through the loader.
For the most part it's a straightforward RISC.
Might do the disassembler next to help debug the rest, and finally the compiler.

On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 10:11 AM Cyber Fonic <cyberfonic@gmail.com> wrote:
The emergent problem with IoT is the lack of security.  From my understanding of Plan9's architecture. 9p protocol and the "root-less" security model suggests to me that a Plan9 swarm of IoT devices could be the "killer app" where Plan9 emerges on the strength of the vision of decades ago.  Looking at other RT OSes the security models are often bolted on.  Plan9 worked well on IBM PC era hardware. An ESP-32 has more resources and better networking than the early PCs.  From my tinkering and reverse engineering of IoT devices, almost all use 8266 based WiFi and often in conjunction with a uController. An ESP-32 is dual processor and with sufficient I/O for most simple tasks.  With IoT, in general, you don't need a lot of I/O, you simply throw more CPUs into the mix.

On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 at 08:55, Skip Tavakkolian <skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm not sure if the effort would be worth it; but if you add support for esp32, I think it would be better for the os to be something like the one you had in kencc for AVR (*) or possibly Russ' libtask, rather than Plan 9. Staying with FreeRTOS would need removal of GCC specific things from OS and dealing with lots of drivers in C++.

The Cortex-M based mpus (e.g. Teensy 4 with Cortex M7 @ 600MHz) seem more appropriate for an "embedded" Plan 9.

(*) for those who have not seen it, it is here:
% ls -l /n/sources/contrib/forsyth/avr*
--rw-rw-r-- M 518 bootes sys 251227 Sep  4  2011 /n/sources/contrib/forsyth/avr.9gz

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 2:36 PM Charles Forsyth <charles.forsyth@gmail.com> wrote:
Since the resources are small if not tiny, a little systems analysis and design is probably needed, but it looks like a bit of fun, until the inevitable moment of "why am I here?".

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 4:50 PM Charles Forsyth <charles.forsyth@gmail.com> wrote:
The device I've got is ESP32-WROOM-32. None of the boards I've seen that use it bother with external memory,
so memory is limited, especially the way it's partitioned.

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 3:50 PM Charles Forsyth <charles.forsyth@gmail.com> wrote:
The ESP32 has got several MMUs. The characteristics are different depending on the part that a given MMU accesses (flash, ROM, SRAM, external memory).
Some things are accessed using Memory Protection Units instead, which control access by Process ID, but don't do mapping. Others including some of the SRAMs are accessed through
an MMU that can do virtual to physical mapping. The MMUs for internal SRAM0 and 2 choose protection for a given physical page as none, one or all of PIDs 2 to 7, with the virtual address that
maps to it. PIDs 0 and 1 can access everything. PID 0 can execute privileged instructions.
A large chunk of SRAM (SRAM 1) has only Memory Protection and no translation. The external memory MMU is the most general (most conventional).

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 3:19 PM Bakul Shah <bakul@bitblocks.com> wrote:
esp32 doesn’t have an mmu, right?

On Jul 26, 2019, at 03:30, Charles Forsyth <charles.forsyth@gmail.com> wrote:

I was thinking of doing that since I've got an ESP-32 for some reason

On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 7:38 AM Cyber Fonic <cyberfonic@gmail.com> wrote:
I was reading the post Why Didn't Plan 9 Succeed on Hacker News.

Made me think that Plan 9 for IoT system of systems could be viable.

To that end, ESP-32 modules look capable enough to run Plan 9, but is there a Plan 9 C compiler for Xtensa ISA CPUs?