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From: vvs009@gmail.com
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] John Floren, Im trying to make the world better
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 18:51:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAM1zWBsehfubVT38LjRFfaG2hS1yf1_JgXOsTewQ9Xrnr9x_XA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFgOgC-2hxz3a8QOw5CDUHgowGyXHd37jp5c=ab68hBSDrg2yA@mail.gmail.com>

> Your argument is unfalsifiable. There is no evidence that if it hadn't
> happened, it wouldn't have happened at all, other than the fact he
> hadn't killed himself before he killed himself.

You are right of course. And you should note, that the opposite is
unfalsifiable also. But the scientific method is unapplicable here
because we will never know for sure anyway.

> It is also reductio ad absurdum. Plenty of people are charged for
> crimes they did not commit (and he was not innocent), and they do not
> kill themselves.

Yes, that is true also. But I didn't argue that there is substantial
evidence that it was the cause. I just saying that in my "opinion"
they bear the "moral" responsibility for his death. Nobody is going to
push charges against them in court on these grounds.

> He broke laws. Was the case against him absurd? Sure. Was the sought
> after punishment way harsher than the crime? I think so.

I agree with that part.

> Does that
> make anyone other than him responsible for him killing himself? No.

I strongly disagree here. They abused their authority and broke public
trust which might resulted in loss of life. Are you trying to say that
nobody should be held responsible for the consequences of their
actions? And they were advised that it could cause harm to his health,
but chose not to act responsibly. If that's not enough for you, that's
enough for me.

> since when is this antsfans@ant...

You are right and it's off-topic. But I didn't started it and if you
chose to publicly argue with what I said before then I have the right
to respond to your criticism, don't I? Or is it a one way avenue?



  reply	other threads:[~2013-03-18 16:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-03-17 20:14 mycroftiv
2013-03-17 21:25 ` Nick LaForge
2013-03-17 21:47   ` Kurt H Maier
2013-03-17 21:58     ` Nick LaForge
2013-03-17 22:01       ` Kurt H Maier
2013-03-18  0:56 ` Tassilo Philipp
2013-03-18  1:00   ` andrey mirtchovski
2013-03-18  8:40 ` vvs009
2013-03-18  8:54   ` vvs009
2013-03-18 12:56     ` Kurt H Maier
2013-03-18 13:34       ` vvs009
2013-03-18 13:40         ` Calvin Morrison
2013-03-18 13:52         ` Kurt H Maier
2013-03-18 14:46           ` vvs009
2013-03-18 15:06             ` Devon H. O'Dell
2013-03-18 16:51               ` vvs009 [this message]
2013-03-18 17:16                 ` Matthew Veety
2013-03-18 15:16             ` Kurt H Maier
2013-03-18 16:59               ` vvs009
2013-03-18 17:48 ` Laurent Malvert
2013-03-18 18:19   ` vvs009
2013-03-18 18:23     ` Kurt H Maier
2013-03-18 18:31       ` vvs009
2013-03-18 18:35         ` Kurt H Maier
2013-03-18 18:45           ` vvs009
2013-03-18 18:27     ` Laurent Malvert

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