> in other words, all the widgets (menus included) of an app turned into margins when mouse's /not/ over those widgets. yes!! i agree 100% last night i couldn't sleep for a while, so i tried to imagine acme as a whole screen ui, w/o any taglines, ctrl-boxes, and sliders... however, i ran into problems soon... made some sketches, but ended up with acknowledging a very clever acme design. Nevertheless, it would be elegant if all the widgets were invisible, in the way dexen proposed.. i hope to see it implemented soon ;-) ++pac