hi, folks, please, look at this: http://www2.gli.cas.cz/home/cejchan/plan9/ubuntu_widgets.png, and share your opinion; the main thing is the right-hand side with the slider and let's talk about this screen-pixels-saving idea the window borders are thin, but still active, mainly from outside of the window scrollbars are thin, too, with a "pop-out" slider tool could be improved, of course however, not a bad idea, IMHO I always wanted to get rid of all that pixel-consuming stuff... another way would, perhaps, be using keyboard for vert/hor scrolling, but I feel that there's a strong opposition to using kb for anything else than character input... best regards, ++pac