From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20131215201922.GB6800@localhost> References: <20131215185916.GA6800@localhost> <20131215201922.GB6800@localhost> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 21:43:27 +0100 Message-ID: From: =?UTF-8?B?QmVuY2UgRsOhYmnDoW4=?= To: Oleg , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec51719114f6c6004ed98bf67 Subject: Re: [9fans] Ideas from Plan-9 Topicbox-Message-UUID: 9c7c240a-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --bcaec51719114f6c6004ed98bf67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > Linux already has many good things, like a namespaces, Have you tried using *CLONE_NEWNS* in Linux? I did. It's a joke. You need to have *CAP_SYS_ADMIN.* And you need to hack back Constants what has since have been missing from headers. You need to allocate your stack. Backwards! It's not even funny as a joke to claim that works. It is certeainly not easier than swiping out a new window. 2013/12/15 Oleg > On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 01:13:38PM -0600, Blake McBride wrote: > > All of this talk sound like someone saying: imagine the hurdles of > sending > > a man to the moon..... how can man fly when his weight to strength ratio > > is so poor.... > > No. This sounds like: why do much of useless work? > > To not lose plan9 benefits, we better will grow (or porting) many of useful > and non-existent now software. > > Linux already has many good things, like a namespaces, sysfs and normal > procfs > (comparing to bsd). May be in the feature it will eliminate ioctl() and > other > ugly syscalls and introduce /dev/ttyctl + /dev/tty instead of this. But > when > will this happen? We have it all now in plan9. > > > --bcaec51719114f6c6004ed98bf67 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> Linux already has many good things, like a namespaces= ,

Have you tried using CLONE_NEWNS in Linux? I did. It's = a joke.
You need to have CAP_SYS_ADMIN. And you need to hack back Constants what has since have be= en missing from headers. You need to allocate your stack. Backwards! It'= ;s not even funny as a joke to claim that works. It is certeainly not easie= r than swiping out a new window.


2013/12= /15 Oleg <lego12239@yandex.ru>
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 01:13:38PM -0600, Blake McBride w= rote:
> All of this talk sound like someone saying: =C2=A0imagine the hurdles = of sending
> a man to the moon..... =C2=A0how can man fly when his weight to streng= th ratio
> is so poor....

No. This sounds like: why do much of useless work?

To not lose plan9 benefits, we better will grow (or porting) many of useful=
and non-existent now software.

Linux already has many good things, like a namespaces, sysfs and normal pro= cfs
(comparing to bsd). May be in the feature it will eliminate ioctl() and oth= er
ugly syscalls and introduce /dev/ttyctl + /dev/tty instead of this. But whe= n
will this happen? We have it all now in plan9.



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