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[Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks] To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000000000000bb10c8060fd1385b Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 4e6840a4-bbfe-11ee-8dcd-eccb008c7b06 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UNDJmMTFlMDI2NWJjZmExOC1NMjM1YzFiOWQ2NmU2ZjUyNGZhNGEz?= =?UTF-8?B?ODRjPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M235c1b9d66e6f524fa4a384c:1:OaLOK0t6DK_8SLHt4VOy9Hofj35HUynuJ0fGv_OyzCc --000000000000bb10c8060fd1385b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is such a weird message coming from the dude that's been spewing argumentative shit all over everyone's inboxes for the last two days. On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 7:48 PM Don A. Bailey wrote: > I don=E2=80=99t think you realize that you have your entire emotional per= ception > of this situation flipped. > > This was a simple comment on why I strongly disagreed with VT=E2=80=99s r= equest > for a 5th Release. I explained myself. I did not get emotional, nor am I > emotional now. What I did receive is a lot of strange emotional responses > for which I have neither time nor interest. And frankly, neither should > anyone here. > > Who cares if I like 9front? I=E2=80=99m not against it, nor the developer= s. I=E2=80=99m > simply against *joining* 9front with 9legacy/etc as a formal release. I > personally believe that=E2=80=99s a bad move. > > Don=E2=80=99t agree? Ok, so what? I=E2=80=99m one dude. And yet the gaggl= e of you people > have tried to drag me down some psychoanalytical rabbit hole, and waste my > entire day. And because I won=E2=80=99t let you drag me into it, and beca= use I > respond with short unemotional statements, you somehow think *I=E2=80=99m= * the bad > guy because I won=E2=80=99t devolve into your world. > > Geez guys seriously=E2=80=A6 go touch grass and have a life. Know what I = did today > instead of engaging with your bullshit? I did my job. I played with my so= n. > I cooked us an amazing dinner. We built a fort. We looked at deer outside. > We listened to music. > > All that because I didn=E2=80=99t waste my time with long bullshit respon= ses that > wouldn=E2=80=99t satisfy you, anyway, because I disagree with 9front bein= g merged. > Who cares? > > Live your life, man. > > > > > On Jan 25, 2024, at 9:18=E2=80=AFPM, Michael Misch > wrote: > > > > =EF=BB=BFHow you react to being told that you are behaving poorly, and = it=E2=80=99s > neither appreciated or respected, speaks volumes. It=E2=80=99s telling, a= s you say, > that your take is to get defensive and, honestly, shitty. Emotional > maturity may be lacking in general on the list but please do not posture > from some imagined moral high ground. It=E2=80=99s so tiring, just do bet= ter. > >> On Jan 25, 2024, at 15:38, Don A. Bailey wrote: > >> > >> It=E2=80=99s telling that you see a difference of opinion as a temper = tantrum. > A major problem with people=E2=80=99s perspective of 9front and the curre= nt plan 9 > community, honestly. > >> > >> > >> > >>>> On Jan 25, 2024, at 6:35=E2=80=AFPM, Jacob Moody wrote: > >>> > >>> =EF=BB=BFOn 1/25/24 16:03, Don A. Bailey wrote: > >>>> I=E2=80=99m aware you=E2=80=99re a member of the foundation. > >>>> > >>>> What I want I think I=E2=80=99ve made clear. I do not want to see a = formal > release of Plan 9 that includes anything from the 9front project. I do not > want 9front merged with what I tongue-in-cheek term =E2=80=9Cmainline=E2= =80=9D (9legacy / > 9pio updated patch sets). I=E2=80=99d rather 9front stay its own thing. I= =E2=80=99m certain > there are a lot of relevant contributions within 9front but I think its > place is as its own niche system. > >>> > >>> Who is going to do the work? Do you want to do the work? Do you think > this temper tantrum you've been throwing on > >>> this list all day is somehow going to convince anyone else to work > with/for you? > >>> It's rich that you feel like you can dictate rules (no 9front code) > but have no interest in making any effort > >>> yourself to make that a reality. > >>> > >>> I await your "better" plan 9. > >>> > >>> - moody > >>> ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T42f11e0265bcfa18-M235c1= b9d66e6f524fa4a384c Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription --000000000000bb10c8060fd1385b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is such a weird message coming from the = dude that's been spewing argumentative shit all over everyone's inb= oxes for the last two days. 

On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 7:48 PM Don= A. Bailey <don.bailey@gmail.com= > wrote:
I don’t think you realize= that you have your entire emotional perception of this situation flipped. =

This was a simple comment on why I strongly disagreed with VT’s reque= st for a 5th Release. I explained myself. I did not get emotional, nor am I= emotional now. What I did receive is a lot of strange emotional responses = for which I have neither time nor interest. And frankly, neither should any= one here.

Who cares if I like 9front? I’m not against it, nor the developers. I= ’m simply against *joining* 9front with 9legacy/etc as a formal relea= se. I personally believe that’s a bad move.

Don’t agree? Ok, so what? I’m one dude. And yet the gaggle of y= ou people have tried to drag me down some psychoanalytical rabbit hole, and= waste my entire day. And because I won’t let you drag me into it, an= d because I respond with short unemotional statements, you somehow think *I= ’m* the bad guy because I won’t devolve into your world.
=
Geez guys seriously… go touch grass and have a life. Know what I did= today instead of engaging with your bullshit? I did my job. I played with = my son. I cooked us an amazing dinner. We built a fort. We looked at deer o= utside. We listened to music.

All that because I didn’t waste my time with long bullshit responses = that wouldn’t satisfy you, anyway, because I disagree with 9front bei= ng merged. Who cares?

Live your life, man.



> On Jan 25, 2024, at 9:18 PM, Michael Misch <michaelmisch1985@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:
>
> How you react to being told that you are behaving poorly, and = it’s neither appreciated or respected, speaks volumes. It’s tel= ling, as you say, that your take is to get defensive and, honestly, shitty.= Emotional maturity may be lacking in general on the list but please do not= posture from some imagined moral high ground. It’s so tiring, just d= o better.
>
>> On Jan 25, 2024, at 15:38, Don A. Bailey <don.bailey@gmail.com> wrote: >>
>> It’s telling that you see a difference of opinion as a tempe= r tantrum. A major problem with people’s perspective of 9front and th= e current plan 9 community, honestly.
>>
>>
>>
>>>> On Jan 25, 2024, at 6:35 PM, Jacob Moody <moody@posixcafe.org&= gt; wrote:
>>>
>>> On 1/25/24 16:03, Don A. Bailey wrote:
>>>> I’m aware you’re a member of the foundation. >>>>
>>>> What I want I think I’ve made clear. I do not want t= o see a formal release of Plan 9 that includes anything from the 9front pro= ject. I do not want 9front merged with what I tongue-in-cheek term “m= ainline” (9legacy / 9pio updated patch sets). I’d rather 9front= stay its own thing. I’m certain there are a lot of relevant contribu= tions within 9front but I think its place is as its own niche system.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Who is going to do the work? Do you want to do the work? Do yo= u think this temper tantrum you've been throwing on
>>> this list all day is somehow going to convince anyone else to = work with/for you?
>>> It's rich that you feel like you can dictate rules (no 9fr= ont code) but have no interest in making any effort
>>> yourself to make that a reality.
>>>
>>> I await your "better" plan 9.
>>>
>>> - moody
>>>

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