I just realized that the next would be the 9th Internation= al Workshop on Plan 9.=C2=A0 I wonder where it will be.

Ian

--001a1149e954fb85290540d0d3dd-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: "James A. Robinson" Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 21:33:35 +0000 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c076c1025afe70540d0e5e7 Subject: Re: [9fans] IWP9 Topicbox-Message-UUID: a95b09ce-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --94eb2c076c1025afe70540d0e5e7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 And will the Proceedings be called 9p? On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 1:31 PM michaelian ennis wrote: I just realized that the next would be the 9th International Workshop on Plan 9. I wonder where it will be. Ian --94eb2c076c1025afe70540d0e5e7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

And will the Proceedi= ngs be called 9p?

On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 1:31 PM michaelian ennis &= lt;michaelian.ennis@gmail.com> wrote:

I just realized that the next would be the 9th International Wor= kshop on Plan 9.=C2=A0 I wonder where it will be.
<= br class=3D"gmail_msg">
Ian

--94eb2c076c1025afe70540d0e5e7-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 From: Stanley Lieber Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 16:42:27 -0500 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>, michaelian ennis Message-ID: <3cbe31b9-a4ec-4a3d-ae19-0af6b5a9a993@email.android.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] IWP9 Topicbox-Message-UUID: a9613880-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 michaelian ennis wrote: >I just realized that the next would be the 9th International Workshop >on >Plan 9. I wonder where it will be. > >Ian outer space From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Andrew Simmons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.1 \(3251\)) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 10:47:58 +1300 References: <3cbe31b9-a4ec-4a3d-ae19-0af6b5a9a993@email.android.com> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: <3cbe31b9-a4ec-4a3d-ae19-0af6b5a9a993@email.android.com> Message-Id: <70681B94-6868-484E-9F59-B6E3C7EC004A@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] IWP9 Topicbox-Message-UUID: a967c114-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 I assume it=E2=80=99s going to be held in Rio?= From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3cbe31b9-a4ec-4a3d-ae19-0af6b5a9a993@email.android.com> References: <3cbe31b9-a4ec-4a3d-ae19-0af6b5a9a993@email.android.com> From: Joseph Stewart Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 13:58:38 -0800 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113dda60863d050540d140b4 Subject: Re: [9fans] IWP9 Topicbox-Message-UUID: a96d0ae8-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --001a113dda60863d050540d140b4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Would it be possible to have a virtual workshop? On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Stanley Lieber wrote: > michaelian ennis wrote: > > >I just realized that the next would be the 9th International Workshop > >on > >Plan 9. I wonder where it will be. > > > >Ian > > outer space > > --001a113dda60863d050540d140b4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Would it be possible to have a virtual workshop?

On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 a= t 1:42 PM, Stanley Lieber <sl@9front.org> wrote:

michaelian ennis= <michaelian.ennis@gmail.c= om> wrote:

>I just realized that the next would be the 9th International Workshop >on
>Plan 9.=C2=A0 I wonder where it will be.
>
>Ian

outer space

--001a113dda60863d050540d140b4-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 19:20:50 -0800 From: Lyndon Nerenberg To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: <70681B94-6868-484E-9F59-B6E3C7EC004A@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <3cbe31b9-a4ec-4a3d-ae19-0af6b5a9a993@email.android.com> <70681B94-6868-484E-9F59-B6E3C7EC004A@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [9fans] IWP9 Topicbox-Message-UUID: a972fa7a-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Wed, 9 Nov 2016, Andrew Simmons wrote: > I assume it?s going to be held in Rio? Makes sense. It's bankrupt, just like the people who destroyed the Labs. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <3cbe31b9-a4ec-4a3d-ae19-0af6b5a9a993@email.android.com> <70681B94-6868-484E-9F59-B6E3C7EC004A@gmail.com> From: hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 11:14:34 +0100 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [9fans] IWP9 Topicbox-Message-UUID: a97890f2-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 destroyed the Labs? details please. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 To: 9fans@9fans.net References: <3cbe31b9-a4ec-4a3d-ae19-0af6b5a9a993@email.android.com> <70681B94-6868-484E-9F59-B6E3C7EC004A@gmail.com>

From: Kaviraj Launchyard Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 17:19:19 +0530 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] IWP9 Topicbox-Message-UUID: a97edc0a-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 even most of https://plan9.io/plan9/ stopped working.. :( On Wednesday 09 November 2016 03:44 PM, hiro wrote: > destroyed the Labs? details please. > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <3cbe31b9-a4ec-4a3d-ae19-0af6b5a9a993@email.android.com> <70681B94-6868-484E-9F59-B6E3C7EC004A@gmail.com>

From: Sergey Zhilkin Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 23:05:15 +0300 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f403045e3b6e8b98d70540e3c68e Subject: Re: [9fans] IWP9 Topicbox-Message-UUID: a983889a-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --f403045e3b6e8b98d70540e3c68e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Any dates ? Crazy idea - Kazan, Russia. Ready to meet :) he he =D1=81=D1=80=D0=B5=D0=B4=D0=B0, 9 =D0=BD=D0=BE=D1=8F=D0=B1=D1=80=D1=8F 2016= =D0=B3. =D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=BB=D1=8C=D0=B7=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=B5=D0=BB= =D1=8C Kaviraj Launchyard =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB: > even most of https://plan9.io/plan9/ stopped working.. :( > > > On Wednesday 09 November 2016 03:44 PM, hiro wrote: > >> destroyed the Labs? details please. >> >> > > --=20 Sent from Gmail Mobile --f403045e3b6e8b98d70540e3c68e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Any dates ? Crazy idea - Kazan, Russia.=C2=A0

Ready = to meet :) he he=C2=A0

=D1=81=D1=80=D0=B5=D0=B4=D0=B0, 9 =D0= =BD=D0=BE=D1=8F=D0=B1=D1=80=D1=8F 2016 =D0=B3. =D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=BB=D1=8C=D0= =B7=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=B5=D0=BB=D1=8C Kaviraj Launchyard =D0=BD=D0= =B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB:

even m= ost of https://plan9.= io/plan9/ stopped working.. :(

On Wednesday 09 November 2016 03:44 PM, hiro wrote:

destroyed the Labs? details please.

--
Sent from Gmail Mobile
--f403045e3b6e8b98d70540e3c68e-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Skip Tavakkolian Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 22:16:01 +0000 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113ee4fcd11ba30540e59add Subject: Re: [9fans] IWP9 Topicbox-Message-UUID: a987dcf6-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --001a113ee4fcd11ba30540e59add Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 crazier things have been happening lately. anything is possible. On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 1:29 PM michaelian ennis wrote: > I just realized that the next would be the 9th International Workshop on > Plan 9. I wonder where it will be. > > Ian > --001a113ee4fcd11ba30540e59add Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

crazier things have been happening lately. =C2=A0anything = is possible.

On Tue, Nov= 8, 2016 at 1:29 PM michaelian ennis <michaelian.ennis@gmail.com> wrote:

I just realized tha= t the next would be the 9th International Workshop on Plan 9.=C2=A0 I wonde= r where it will be.

Ian

--001a113ee4fcd11ba30540e59add-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jeff Sickel Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7366AC03-2AF1-4705-9DB8-0D94E794B459 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 16:26:10 -0600 Message-Id: <8CD4C4AB-835C-4472-B371-6A41954105E6@corpus-callosum.com> References:

In-Reply-To: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] IWP9 Topicbox-Message-UUID: a98c0024-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --Apple-Mail-7366AC03-2AF1-4705-9DB8-0D94E794B459 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm thinking it should be in a hangar. -jas > On Nov 9, 2016, at 4:16 PM, Skip Tavakkolian w= rote: >=20 > crazier things have been happening lately. anything is possible. >=20 >> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 1:29 PM michaelian ennis wrote: >> I just realized that the next would be the 9th International Workshop on P= lan 9. I wonder where it will be. >>=20 >> Ian --Apple-Mail-7366AC03-2AF1-4705-9DB8-0D94E794B459 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'm thinking it should be in a hangar.

-jas

On Nov 9, 2016, at 4:16 PM, Skip Tavakkolian <skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com> wrote:

crazier things have been happening lately. anything is possible.

On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 1:29 PM michaelian ennis <michaelian.ennis@gmail.com> wrote:
I just realized that the next would be the 9th International Workshop on Plan 9. I wonder where it will be.

Ian

--Apple-Mail-7366AC03-2AF1-4705-9DB8-0D94E794B459-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8CD4C4AB-835C-4472-B371-6A41954105E6@corpus-callosum.com> References:

<8CD4C4AB-835C-4472-B371-6A41954105E6@corpus-callosum.com> From: hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 23:53:03 +0100 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [9fans] IWP9 Topicbox-Message-UUID: a99041e8-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 are you trying to hire us? On 11/9/16, Jeff Sickel wrote: > I'm thinking it should be in a hangar. > > -jas > >> On Nov 9, 2016, at 4:16 PM, Skip Tavakkolian >> wrote: >> >> crazier things have been happening lately. anything is possible. >> >>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 1:29 PM michaelian ennis >>> wrote: >>> I just realized that the next would be the 9th International Workshop on >>> Plan 9. I wonder where it will be. >>> >>> Ian > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Andrew Simmons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.1 \(3251\)) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 19:03:24 +1300 References:

To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <63F743FD-FDD6-4A13-A543-A59B01491CD2@gmail.com> Subject: [9fans] Job interview questions Topicbox-Message-UUID: a99f8982-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 I=E2=80=99ve just been asked to respond to the following. Apart from = number 8, where the answer is clearly =E2=80=9Cbecause they are = clinically insane=E2=80=9D, I am at a loss. Any hints from the group? 1) What is the base object in .Net 2) Which version of Asp.Net MVC have you used 3) Explain MVC in general 4) Which version of the .Net are you most familiar with 5) Explain why you would use an outer join vs an inner join 6) Can you explain the request Flow in Asp.Net MVC 7) Explain Dependency Injection 8) Why would a developer choose to use EF 9) What is the difference between Javascript and jQuery 10) What are extensions methods 11) What source control systems have you used 12) Have you gathered systems requirements from clients? If so, = please give some details From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 22:59:08 -0800 From: Kurt H Maier To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Message-ID: <20161110065908.GC97188@wopr> References:

<63F743FD-FDD6-4A13-A543-A59B01491CD2@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <63F743FD-FDD6-4A13-A543-A59B01491CD2@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] Job interview questions Topicbox-Message-UUID: a9a88654-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 07:03:24PM +1300, Andrew Simmons wrote: > I=E2=80=99ve just been asked to respond to the following. Apart from nu= mber 8, where the answer is clearly =E2=80=9Cbecause they are clinically = insane=E2=80=9D, I am at a loss. Any hints from the group? >=20 Happy to help. > 1) What is the base object in .Net Despair. > 2) Which version of Asp.Net MVC have you used The wrong one. > 3) Explain MVC in general The 'model' is your database connection. This never works. The 'view' is what displays error messages to the user. The 'controller' is what allows the user to send injection attacks to your datastore. > 4) Which version of the .Net are you most familiar with 3.5, unless your organization has money, in which case 4.5 and above. > 5) Explain why you would use an outer join vs an inner join An outer join is used when you don't clearly understand your search algorithm. An inner join is used when you got your data structures wrong. > 6) Can you explain the request Flow in Asp.Net MVC Sure! It goes like this: request-> collection -> base -> handlergetter -> handler -> controllerfactory -> controller -> actionrunner -> filter -> action -> result -> exception -> 500 error. > 7) Explain Dependency Injection This is what we call passing arguments. =20 > 8) Why would a developer choose to use EF So that we don't have to know how to look up the arguments we want to pass. =20 > 9) What is the difference between Javascript and jQuery Nothing. There is no such thing as javascript; it is an archaic term for jquery, which is now known as react. > 10) What are extensions methods These used to be called 'functions' but that term has been deprecated both because procedural programming is for squares and those functional programming kids keep overloading terminology. > 11) What source control systems have you used Is this a trick question? Or are you considering 'github' and 'git' to be different things? I don't understand what you are asking. > 12) Have you gathered systems requirements from clients? If so,= please give some details Clients are the wrong place to gather systems requirements. Attempting to interact with clients for any amount of time quickly leads to injection dependency. The proper place to gather systems requirements is the project budget comptroller (to determine scale) and the executive vice president of sales (to determine scope). Fingers crossed for the followup interview! khm From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 References:

<63F743FD-FDD6-4A13-A543-A59B01491CD2@gmail.com> <20161110065908.GC97188@wopr> In-Reply-To: <20161110065908.GC97188@wopr> From: "James A. Robinson" Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 07:08:11 +0000 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c0812f8eba90a0540ed09b0 Subject: Re: [9fans] Job interview questions Topicbox-Message-UUID: a9ad6b4c-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --94eb2c0812f8eba90a0540ed09b0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Priceless, thank you for making me laugh! :) On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 23:01 Kurt H Maier wrote: On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 07:03:24PM +1300, Andrew Simmons wrote: > I=E2=80=99ve just been asked to respond to the following. Apart from numb= er 8, where the answer is clearly =E2=80=9Cbecause they are clinically insane=E2= =80=9D, I am at a loss. Any hints from the group? > Happy to help. > 1) What is the base object in .Net Despair. > 2) Which version of Asp.Net MVC have you used The wrong one. > 3) Explain MVC in general The 'model' is your database connection. This never works. The 'view' is what displays error messages to the user. The 'controller' is what allows the user to send injection attacks to your datastore. > 4) Which version of the .Net are you most familiar with 3.5, unless your organization has money, in which case 4.5 and above. > 5) Explain why you would use an outer join vs an inner join An outer join is used when you don't clearly understand your search algorithm. An inner join is used when you got your data structures wrong. > 6) Can you explain the request Flow in Asp.Net MVC Sure! It goes like this: request-> collection -> base -> handlergetter -> handler -> controllerfactory -> controller -> actionrunner -> filter -> action -> result -> exception -> 500 error. > 7) Explain Dependency Injection This is what we call passing arguments. > 8) Why would a developer choose to use EF So that we don't have to know how to look up the arguments we want to pass. > 9) What is the difference between Javascript and jQuery Nothing. There is no such thing as javascript; it is an archaic term for jquery, which is now known as react. > 10) What are extensions methods These used to be called 'functions' but that term has been deprecated both because procedural programming is for squares and those functional programming kids keep overloading terminology. > 11) What source control systems have you used Is this a trick question? Or are you considering 'github' and 'git' to be different things? I don't understand what you are asking. > 12) Have you gathered systems requirements from clients? If so, please give some details Clients are the wrong place to gather systems requirements. Attempting to interact with clients for any amount of time quickly leads to injection dependency. The proper place to gather systems requirements is the project budget comptroller (to determine scale) and the executive vice president of sales (to determine scope). Fingers crossed for the followup interview! khm --94eb2c0812f8eba90a0540ed09b0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Priceless, thank you for making me laug=
h! :)

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 23:01 Kurt H Maier= <khm@sciops.net> wrote:

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 07:03:24PM +1300, Andrew= Simmons wrote:
> I=E2=80=99ve just been asked to respond to the following. Apart from n= umber 8, where the answer is clearly =E2=80=9Cbecause they are clinically i= nsane=E2=80=9D, I am at a loss. Any hints from the group?
>

Happy to help.

> 1)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0What is the base object in = .Net

Despair.

> 2)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Which version of Asp.Net MV= C have you used

The wrong one.

> 3)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Explain MVC in general

The 'model' is your database connection.=C2=A0 This never works.=C2= =A0 The 'view'
is what displays error messages to the user.=C2=A0 The 'controller'= is what
allows the user to send injection attacks to your datastore.

> 4)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Which version of the .Net a= re you most familiar with

3.5, unless your organization has money, in which case 4.5 and above.

> 5)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Explain why you would use a= n outer join vs an inner join

An outer join is used when you don't clearly understand your search
algorithm.=C2=A0 An inner join is used when you got your data structures wrong.

> 6)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Can you explain the request= Flow in Asp.Net MVC

Sure!=C2=A0 It goes like this:=C2=A0 request-> collection -> base -&g= t; handlergetter
-> handler -> controllerfactory -> controller -> actionrunner -= > filter
-> action -> result -> exception -> 500 error.

> 7)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Explain Dependency Injectio= n

This is what we call passing arguments.

> 8)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Why would a developer choos= e to use EF

So that we don't have to know how to look up the arguments we want to pass.

> 9)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0What is the difference betw= een Javascript and jQuery

Nothing.=C2=A0 There is no such thing as javascript; it is an archaic term<= br class=3D"gmail_msg"> for jquery, which is now known as react.

> 10)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0What are extensions methods

These used to be called 'functions' but that term has been deprecat= ed
both because procedural programming is for squares and those functional
programming kids keep overloading terminology.

> 11)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0What source control systems have = you used

Is this a trick question?=C2=A0 Or are you considering 'github' and= 'git' to
be different things?=C2=A0 I don't understand what you are asking.

> 12)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Have you gathered systems require= ments from clients? If so, please give some details

Clients are the wrong place to gather systems requirements.=C2=A0 Attemptin= g
to interact with clients for any amount of time quickly leads to
injection dependency.=C2=A0 The proper place to gather systems requirements=
is the project budget comptroller (to determine scale) and the executive vice president of sales (to determine scope).

Fingers crossed for the followup interview!

khm

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 11:16 AM Sergey Zhilkin <szhilkin@gmail.com> wrote:

Well done !<= /div>

2016= -11-10 10:08 GMT+03:00 James A. Robinson <jim.robinson@gmail.com>:
=

Priceless, thank you for making me laugh! :)

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 23= :01 Kurt H Maier <khm@sc= iops.net> wrote:
On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 07:03= :24PM +1300, Andrew Simmons wrote:
> I=E2=80=99ve just been asked to respond to the following. Apart from n= umber 8, where the answer is clearly =E2=80=9Cbecause they are clinically i= nsane=E2=80=9D, I am at a loss. Any hints from the group?
>

Happy to help.

> 1)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0What is the base object in = .Net

Despair.

> 2)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Which version of Asp.Net MV= C have you used

The wrong one.

> 3)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Explain MVC in general

The 'model' is your database connection.=C2=A0 This never works.=C2= =A0 The 'view'
is what displays error messages to the user.=C2=A0 The 'controller'= is what
allows the user to send injection attacks to your datastore.

> 4)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Which version of the .Net a= re you most familiar with

3.5, unless your organization has money, in which case 4.5 and above.

> 5)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Explain why you would use a= n outer join vs an inner join

An outer join is used when you don't clearly understand your search
algorithm.=C2=A0 An inner join is used when you got your data structures wrong.

> 6)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Can you explain the request= Flow in Asp.Net MVC

Sure!=C2=A0 It goes like this:=C2=A0 request-> collection -> base -&g= t; handlergetter
-> handler -> controllerfactory -> controller -> actionrunner -= > filter
-> action -> result -> exception -> 500 error.

> 7)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Explain Dependency Injectio= n

This is what we call passing arguments.

> 8)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Why would a developer choos= e to use EF

So that we don't have to know how to look up the arguments we want to pass.

> 9)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0What is the difference betw= een Javascript and jQuery

Nothing.=C2=A0 There is no such thing as javascript; it is an archaic term<= br class=3D"m_-773217351443186942m_414122069368607674gmail_msg gmail_msg"> for jquery, which is now known as react.

> 10)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0What are extensions methods

These used to be called 'functions' but that term has been deprecat= ed
programming kids keep overloading terminology.

> 11)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0What source control systems have = you used

Is this a trick question?=C2=A0 Or are you considering 'github' and= 'git' to
be different things?=C2=A0 I don't understand what you are asking.

> 12)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Have you gathered systems require= ments from clients? If so, please give some details

Clients are the wrong place to gather systems requirements.=C2=A0 Attemptin= g
to interact with clients for any amount of time quickly leads to
injection dependency.=C2=A0 The proper place to gather systems requirements=
is the project budget comptroller (to determine scale) and the executive vice president of sales (to determine scope).

Fingers crossed for the followup interview!

khm

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=D0=96=D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=BA=D0=B8=D0=BD =D0=A1=D0= =B5=D1=80=D0=B3=D0=B5=D0=B9
With best regards
Zhilkin Sergey

-s

--089e0112d1566f0d9e054103844a-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20161110065908.GC97188@wopr> References:

<63F743FD-FDD6-4A13-A543-A59B01491CD2@gmail.com> <20161110065908.GC97188@wopr> From: Charles Forsyth Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 16:27:44 +0000 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1142297c5865c1054108f8a0 Subject: Re: [9fans] Job interview questions Topicbox-Message-UUID: a9c33dbe-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --001a1142297c5865c1054108f8a0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 10 November 2016 at 06:59, Kurt H Maier wrote: > > 7) Explain Dependency Injection > > This is what we call passing arguments. > In the newer ASP.NET Core, they've ramped it up by extensive use of reflection, so your program ends up trapped in a hall of mirrors, and you've no idea who calls anything, with what, when, and why. --001a1142297c5865c1054108f8a0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On 10 November 2016 at 06:59, Kurt H Maier <khm@sciops.net> wro= te:

> 7)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Explain D= ependency Injection

This is what we call passing arguments.

In = the newer ASP.NET Core, they've ramped i= t up by extensive use of reflection, so your program ends up trapped in a h= all of mirrors,

and you've no idea who = calls anything, with what, when, and why.

--001a1142297c5865c1054108f8a0-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: cigar562hfsp952fans@icebubble.org To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> References:

<63F743FD-FDD6-4A13-A543-A59B01491CD2@gmail.com> <20161110065908.GC97188@wopr> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 15:13:55 +0000 In-Reply-To: (Charles Forsyth's message of "Fri, 11 Nov 2016 16:27:44 +0000") Message-ID: <86vavs6898.fsf@cmarib.ramside> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: [9fans] Job interview questions Topicbox-Message-UUID: aa85a71e-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Charles Forsyth writes: > In the newer ASP.NET Core, they've ramped it up by extensive use of > reflection, so your program ends up trapped in a hall of mirrors, > and you've no idea who calls anything, with what, when, and why. Perhaps they're taking their lead from Ruby. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: cigar562hfsp952fans@icebubble.org To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> References:

<63F743FD-FDD6-4A13-A543-A59B01491CD2@gmail.com> <20161110065908.GC97188@wopr> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 15:18:30 +0000 In-Reply-To: <20161110065908.GC97188@wopr> (Kurt H. Maier's message of "Wed, 9 Nov 2016 22:59:08 -0800") Message-ID: <86r36g681l.fsf@cmarib.ramside> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] Job interview questions Topicbox-Message-UUID: aa8b491c-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Kurt H Maier writes: > On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 07:03:24PM +1300, Andrew Simmons wrote: >> I=E2=80=99ve just been asked to respond to the following. Apart from num= ber 8, where the answer is clearly =E2=80=9Cbecause they are clinically ins= ane=E2=80=9D, I am at a loss. Any hints from the group? >>=20 > > Happy to help. ... LMAO. That's not just funny - it's smart-funny. Perfect! Come to think of it... if Andrew actually submitted those as answers to the questions, it would certainly get the recruiter's attention. Whether that would work for him, or against him, depends on the particular circumstances. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <86r36g681l.fsf@cmarib.ramside> References:

<63F743FD-FDD6-4A13-A543-A59B01491CD2@gmail.com> <20161110065908.GC97188@wopr> <86r36g681l.fsf@cmarib.ramside> From: Winston Kodogo Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 10:18:10 +1300 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1144c0d6cfa5550541212499 Subject: [9fans] Job interview questions Topicbox-Message-UUID: aa9e0674-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --001a1144c0d6cfa5550541212499 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Excellent suggestions by Kurt. I'm sorely tempted to submit them to the recruiter, but I don't think he'd get the joke. --001a1144c0d6cfa5550541212499 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Excellent suggestions by Kurt. I'm sorely tempted to submit them to the recruiter, but I don't think he'd get the joke. --001a1144c0d6cfa5550541212499-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <63F743FD-FDD6-4A13-A543-A59B01491CD2@gmail.com> References:

<63F743FD-FDD6-4A13-A543-A59B01491CD2@gmail.com> From: Charles Forsyth Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:38:36 +0000 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0115ee3c2b9724054134b525 Subject: Re: [9fans] Job interview questions Topicbox-Message-UUID: aabbb9ee-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --089e0115ee3c2b9724054134b525 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 10 November 2016 at 06:03, Andrew Simmons wrote: > 6) Can you explain the request Flow in Asp.Net MVC > The correct answer is "Is that an African or an English MVC flow?" (the point being that it changed significantly between ASP.NET MVC 5 and the replacement ASP.NET Core MVC) --089e0115ee3c2b9724054134b525 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On 10 November 2016 at 06:03, Andrew Simmons <kodogo@gmail.com> wrote:

6)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Can you= explain the request Flow in Asp.Net MVC

Th= e correct answer is "Is that an African or an English MVC flow?" = (the point being that it changed significantly between ASP.NET MVC 5 and the =C2=A0replacement ASP.NET Core MVC)

--089e0115ee3c2b9724054134b525-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <63F743FD-FDD6-4A13-A543-A59B01491CD2@gmail.com> References:

<63F743FD-FDD6-4A13-A543-A59B01491CD2@gmail.com> From: Charles Forsyth Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:49:52 +0000 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0149482a76355a054134dd44 Subject: Re: [9fans] Job interview questions Topicbox-Message-UUID: aac00332-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --089e0149482a76355a054134dd44 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 10 November 2016 at 06:03, Andrew Simmons wrote: > 9) What is the difference between Javascript and jQuery It's funny about JavaScript. (Never mind jQuery.) Given the heart-thumping power of even modern little devices, there's no reason whatsoever why they couldn't implement proper concurrent programming in a modern browser. On the server, people still fuss about the number of processes, and devise clever hacks like async/await in C#, because servers might have to deal with many millions of incoming connections given poor session management. On the client, though? No. Still, although browsers have expanded beyond the traditional dreams of avarice, they still can't do basic multiplexing well. --089e0149482a76355a054134dd44 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On 10 November 2016 at 06:03, Andrew Simmons <kodogo@gmail.com> wrote:

9)=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0What is the difference between Javascript= and jQuery

It's funny about JavaScript. (Never m= ind jQuery.) Given the heart-thumping power of even modern little devices, = there's no reason whatsoever why they couldn't implement proper con= current programming in a modern browser. On the server, people still fuss a= bout the number of processes, and devise clever hacks like async/await in C= #, because servers might have to deal with many millions of =C2=A0incoming = connections given poor session management. On the client, though? No. Still= , although browsers have expanded beyond the traditional dreams of avarice,= they still can't do basic multiplexing well.

--089e0149482a76355a054134dd44-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <0da4c91f0d623e9d7bb54bb0059a4c46@9netics.com> To: 9fans@9fans.net Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 16:09:42 -0800 From: Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Job interview questions Topicbox-Message-UUID: aac45d42-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > On > the server, people still fuss about the number of processes, and devise > clever hacks like async/await in C#, because servers might have to deal > with many millions of incoming connections given poor session management. except when the server is nodejs running javascript.