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From: Charles Forsyth <charles.forsyth@gmail.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] integer width on AMD64 (was: Re: AMD64 system)
Date: Mon,  7 May 2012 11:27:29 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAOw7k5h9QVUCrKr4jYU++sSWE6DHqbA_oFRwajyKbj7A0AjBWg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1663922.YALRc7vFOO@coil>

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The MIPS, PowerPC and SPARC all grew to 64 bits from 32 bits, so 32 bit
quantities
(and usually but not always 16 bit and 8 bit quantities) have suitable
instructions to fetch them.
Exceptions include ARM, where the original 32 bit architecture made byte
access (in the C style at least)
expensive, but they corrected that in (I think) v4 by adding byte
instructions. Alpha might have
been an exception too, but that's dead.

accesses aren't "unaligned" when they are smaller than the machine word,
but when the address isn't a multiple of the length accessed. Plan 9
generally keeps
things properly aligned. Processors don't usually have trouble with
accesses smaller than
the machine word.

On 7 May 2012 11:01, dexen deVries <dexen.devries@gmail.com> wrote:

> on RISC, there's usually significant penalty for accessing data units
> smaller
> than machine word (`unaligned access'), but it ain't so on the benevolent
> x86
> CISC.
>

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-05-07 10:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <CAL3m8eAf2Yjpg77wtykTSPnyKHxKHYc5YWfWH2L8CNjc86P1kA@mail.gmail.c>
2012-04-25 14:28 ` [9fans] AMD64 system erik quanstrom
2012-04-25 18:04   ` Strake
2012-04-25 18:27     ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2012-04-25 18:49       ` Matthew Veety
2012-04-25 19:09         ` Strake
2012-04-25 19:15           ` John Floren
2012-04-25 19:57             ` Strake
2012-04-25 20:04               ` John Floren
2012-04-25 20:30                 ` Strake
2012-04-25 20:43                   ` John Floren
2012-04-26  1:11                     ` Strake
2012-04-26  1:21                       ` andrey mirtchovski
2012-04-26  1:24                         ` andy zerger
2012-04-26  1:49                       ` John Floren
2012-04-26  3:41                         ` Strake
2012-04-25 19:19           ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2012-04-25 20:01             ` Strake
2012-04-25 20:05               ` Gorka Guardiola
2012-04-25 20:08               ` Lyndon Nerenberg
     [not found]         ` <CAL3m8eCJughpHZ6htHyLyq9vORA+z5ajpWMbWjnCTVZ+YZRv9g@mail.gmail.c>
2012-04-25 19:36           ` erik quanstrom
     [not found]       ` <CA+4OWrwGgkYfuj2t4dkWsZHFex4oFTveDq_9A+yr=TsNpG0C8g@mail.gmail.c>
2012-04-25 18:56         ` erik quanstrom
2012-04-25 19:16           ` Strake
     [not found]           ` <CAL3m8eDJEo6o+srxuYpKSGDmM+0KgQhC15u7Qxg4TvnpO57Zgw@mail.gmail.c>
2012-04-25 19:32             ` erik quanstrom
2012-04-25 20:13               ` Strake
2012-04-25 20:20                 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2012-04-26  3:38                 ` Russ Cox
2012-04-26  4:04                   ` Devon H. O'Dell
2012-04-26  4:13                     ` andrey mirtchovski
2012-04-26  4:36                   ` Strake
2012-05-05 15:02                   ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2012-05-05 15:33               ` [9fans] integer width on AMD64 (was: Re: AMD64 system) dexen deVries
2012-05-05 16:41                 ` David du Colombier
2012-05-05 17:42                 ` erik quanstrom
2012-05-05 17:48                 ` Charles Forsyth
2012-05-05 17:52                   ` dexen deVries
2012-05-05 21:06                   ` Comeau At9Fans
2012-05-06  2:58                     ` [9fans] integer width on AMD64 Joel C. Salomon
2012-05-06  3:13                       ` Bruce Ellis
2012-05-06  8:46                       ` Comeau At9Fans
     [not found]                       ` <CAE9W7-gmaSYzx+4TK0LKtiHaZYC-4xz_DTbC_wqhsGo_7zXc0Q@mail.gmail.c>
2012-05-06 13:10                         ` erik quanstrom
2012-05-06 13:57                           ` Comeau At9Fans
2012-05-06  9:20                   ` [9fans] integer width on AMD64 (was: Re: AMD64 system) steve
2012-05-06 11:43                     ` Comeau At9Fans
2012-05-07  8:53                       ` steve
2012-05-07 10:01                         ` dexen deVries
2012-05-07 10:16                           ` Charles Forsyth
2012-05-07 10:27                           ` Charles Forsyth [this message]
2012-05-07 10:36                             ` dexen deVries
2012-05-08 19:04                               ` Comeau At9Fans
     [not found]                           ` <CAOw7k5h9QVUCrKr4jYU++sSWE6DHqbA_oFRwajyKbj7A0AjBWg@mail.gmail.c>
2012-05-07 12:11                             ` erik quanstrom
2012-05-07 12:32                           ` erik quanstrom
2012-05-07 12:44                         ` erik quanstrom
2012-05-08 19:14                           ` Comeau At9Fans
2012-05-05 21:00                 ` Comeau At9Fans
     [not found]   ` <CAL3m8eDMXC2STjFjBUurmdY5DynCOrpqwE-ViRuSubfF6HjBOw@mail.gmail.c>
2012-04-25 18:11     ` [9fans] AMD64 system erik quanstrom

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