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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Briefly, no. It's a constraint language, and it happens to be able to produce yaml etc as a side-process. I've used it to enforce constraints in a tax application. "Enforce" understates what actually can be done. On Tue, 16 Apr 2024 at 20:31, G B via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote: > Isn't Cue YACL (Yet Another Configuration Language)? Absolutely no way one > can deprecate YAML and just use Cue, so all one is doing essentially is > adding one more thing to learn and keep updated. And since it hasn't > released 1.0, what happens if the new YACL never materializes but was > adopted? Good luck ripping that out to return to YAML. > > On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 09:26:28 AM CDT, Charles Forsyth < > charles.forsyth@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Although cue itself is more generally useful, applied that way it's a > coping mechanism that indeed doesn't address the fundamental point: > like those Sendmail configuration languages that compiled down into the > rewrite language instead of just replacing that. > > > On Tue, 16 Apr 2024 at 15:19, wrote: > > Quoth Charles Forsyth : > > > > it's been a little while since i first looked at it, but i think one of > the > > example application is exactly how one might use it to avoid 80k lines = of > > yaml that you must look at directly. >=20 > while it may help -- this is just stacking complexity on top of > complexity. >=20 > kubernetes may be a tool that some of us need to deal with for > our jobs, but it has no place in a well designed rethink of the > world. >=20 > *9fans * / 9fans / see discussions > + participants > + delivery options > Permalink > ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T51f7f5a8927e1271-M47e06= 0c9bce6265f95ef579c Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription --000000000000b8599e06163bde13 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Briefly, no. It's a constraint language, a= nd it happens to be able to produce yaml etc as a side-process.
I'v= e used it to enforce constraints in a tax application. "Enforce" = understates what actually can be done.

On Tue, 16 Apr 2024 at 20:31,= G B via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net&g= t; wrote:
Isn't Cue YACL (Yet A= nother Configuration Language)? Absolutely no way one can deprecate YAML an= d just use Cue, so all one is doing essentially is adding one more thing to= learn and keep updated. And since it hasn't released 1.0, what happens= if the new YACL never materializes but was adopted? Good luck ripping that= out to return to YAML.

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 09:26:28 AM CDT, Char= les Forsyth <charles.forsyth@gmail.com> wrote:


Although cue it= self is more generally useful, applied that way it's a coping mechanism= that indeed doesn't address the fundamental point:
like those Send= mail configuration languages that compiled down into the rewrite language i= nstead of just replacing that.

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On Tue, 16 Apr 2024 at 15:19, <ori@eigenstate.org> wrote:
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Quoth Charles Forsyth <charles.forsyth@gmail.com>:
>
> it's been a little while since i first looked at it, but i think o= ne of the
> example application is exactly how one might use it to avoid 80k lines= of
> yaml that you must look at directly.

while it may help -- this is just stacking complexity on top of
complexity.

kubernetes may be a tool that some of us need to deal with for
our jobs, but it has no place in a well designed rethink of the
world.


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