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From: ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] syscall 53
Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 14:41:58 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAP6exYLDeGLtBrXpgpBY-8F38KXGA+JhD2oeBnzbMAJeMHCMfg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOw7k5j8SSo7sGbsp_1=eEeTQspUPuFt6Dgikz-v1_HU01LzJg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Charles Forsyth
<charles.forsyth@gmail.com> wrote:

> Jitter says something about (in)consistency of time periods or intervals. It
> will be a function of scheduling decisions, not the overhead of a single
> call.
> In Nix, on an AP core, sure, because there isn't any scheduling. When there
> is scheduling of any sort,
> it's the scheduling that results in the jitter, not either of these two time
> implementations, surely.
> You could clearly say "faster", but I'm not convinced about "jitter-free".
> For instance, you can still be pre-empted for variable
> time between the invocation of "nsec", its arrival in the kernel, and on
> return from the kernel before and after return from "nsec".
> Preventing that is a scheduling matter, with both implementations.

I did not want to make this too long, but, sure, everything you say is
quite correct. It's why we considered taking the implementation even
further on NxM, but we stopped that project before we got to that
point. There are way more opportunities for the introduction of jitter
with the old system as opposed to the new, because there are far more
places that you might get to where scheduling can occur. In other
words, again, you're right as rain in what you're saying.

What can I say? We measured it on NxM, were disappointed with the
results from the old way, and happy(er) with the new way.

And, again, I was not inclined to act on any of this until the
discussion on the golang-dev list, which boiled down to:
"if you can do it with a single system call, you should" with a
response of "we put in a patch, was not accepted yet.". I just renewed
the request to reexamine the patch.

ron



  reply	other threads:[~2014-05-19 21:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-17 19:11 goo
2014-05-17 21:17 ` Jeff Sickel
2014-05-17 22:21   ` Jeff Sickel
2014-05-17 22:45   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2014-05-18  4:34     ` lucio
2014-05-18  8:29       ` David du Colombier
2014-05-18 15:28         ` Jeff Sickel
2014-05-18 15:32         ` Skip Tavakkolian
2014-05-18 15:34           ` Skip Tavakkolian
2014-05-18 15:38           ` Jeff Sickel
2014-05-18 16:03             ` Skip Tavakkolian
2014-05-18 22:55               ` Skip Tavakkolian
2014-05-19  1:54                 ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-19  2:27                   ` Jeff Sickel
2014-05-19  4:18                     ` lucio
2014-05-19 12:50                       ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-19 14:01                         ` lucio
2014-05-19 16:24                           ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-19 16:54                             ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-19 17:16                               ` lucio
2014-05-19 17:22                                 ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-19 17:13                             ` lucio
2014-05-19 17:25                               ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-19 19:50                                 ` Bakul Shah
2014-05-19 19:59                                   ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-19 20:54                                     ` ron minnich
2014-05-19 21:30                                       ` Charles Forsyth
2014-05-19 21:41                                         ` ron minnich [this message]
2014-05-19 23:02                                           ` Kurt H Maier
2014-05-19 23:06                                             ` andrey mirtchovski
2014-05-19 23:12                                               ` Kurt H Maier
2014-05-19 23:17                                                 ` andrey mirtchovski
2014-05-20  0:09                                                   ` Jeff Sickel
2014-05-19 21:34                                       ` Anthony Sorace
2014-05-20 14:04                                         ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-20 16:41                                           ` ron minnich
2014-05-20 17:14                                             ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-20 18:32                                             ` Kurt H Maier
2014-05-20 19:49                                               ` ron minnich
2014-05-20 19:54                                                 ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-20 20:06                                                 ` Kurt H Maier
2014-05-21 10:23                                                 ` hiro
2014-05-20 20:33                                             ` Jeff Sickel
2014-05-21  1:37                                               ` Skip Tavakkolian
2014-05-21 15:40                                                 ` lucio
2014-05-21 16:25                                                   ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-21 16:56                                                     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2014-05-21 20:05                                                       ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2014-05-22  0:13                                                       ` Bakul Shah
2014-05-22  3:25                                                         ` [9fans] CMS/MMS (VCS/SCM/DSCM) [was: syscall 53] Jeff Sickel
2014-05-22  5:03                                                           ` lucio
2014-05-22  5:07                                                           ` lucio
2014-05-22 13:29                                                             ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-22 13:50                                                               ` lucio
2014-05-22  5:11                                                           ` Bakul Shah
2014-05-22  5:26                                                             ` lucio
2014-05-22 12:57                                                               ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-22 13:43                                                                 ` lucio
2014-05-22 13:57                                                                   ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-22  5:28                                                             ` lucio
2014-05-22  5:36                                                             ` lucio
2014-05-22  6:00                                                               ` Bakul Shah
2014-05-22  6:18                                                                 ` lucio
2014-05-22 12:45                                                                 ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-22 20:05                                                                   ` Bakul Shah
2014-05-22 20:11                                                                     ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-23 20:07                                                                     ` Steve Simon
2014-05-22  9:52                                                               ` Aram Hăvărneanu
2014-05-22 10:29                                                                 ` lucio
2014-05-22 10:46                                                                   ` Aram Hăvărneanu
2014-05-22 13:03                                                             ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-22  5:23                                                           ` Skip Tavakkolian
2014-05-22  5:47                                                             ` lucio
2014-05-22 12:49                                                               ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-22  7:49                                                           ` Alex Jordan
2014-05-22 12:49                                                             ` Riddler
2014-05-22  3:43                                                       ` [9fans] syscall 53 Kurt H Maier
2014-05-22  5:12                                                         ` lucio
2014-05-22 16:15                                                           ` Kurt H Maier
2014-05-22  5:36                                                         ` Bakul Shah
2014-05-22 10:50                                                           ` Aram Hăvărneanu
2014-05-21 17:01                                                     ` lucio
2014-05-21 17:41                                                       ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-21 19:08                                                         ` lucio
2014-05-21 20:36                                                           ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-22  4:46                                                             ` lucio
2014-05-22 13:18                                                               ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-22 13:39                                                                 ` lucio
2014-05-22 14:22                                                                   ` Riddler
2014-05-22  4:54                                                             ` lucio
2014-05-22 13:07                                                               ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-21  1:21                                             ` Skip Tavakkolian
2014-05-21 15:36                                               ` lucio
2014-05-21 15:57                                                 ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-21 17:03                                                   ` lucio
2014-05-21 16:50                                                 ` Kurt H Maier
2014-05-21 18:02                                                   ` hiro
2014-05-20 17:05                                         ` Bakul Shah
2014-05-20 17:28                                           ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-19 17:26                               ` Charles Forsyth
2014-05-19 17:29                                 ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-19 19:15                                   ` Aram Hăvărneanu
2014-05-19 19:44                                     ` Charles Forsyth
2014-05-19 20:51                                     ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-20  3:52                                     ` cinap_lenrek
2014-05-19  4:15                   ` lucio
2014-05-18  0:34 ` erik quanstrom
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-05-21 18:26 sl
2014-05-21 18:31 ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-18  7:35 goo
2014-05-17 16:54 goo
2014-05-17 13:53 goo
2014-05-17 14:56 ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-17 10:23 goo
2014-05-17 12:11 ` erik quanstrom
2014-05-17 12:23   ` David du Colombier
2014-05-17 12:12 ` erik quanstrom

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