From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_1a1de8fb-813c-446e-bc10-9a61e2faffe2_" From: OMAR RADWAN To: "9fans@9fans.net" <9fans@9fans.net> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 20:10:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [9fans] What is Plan9 exactly? Topicbox-Message-UUID: f53c39ae-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --_1a1de8fb-813c-446e-bc10-9a61e2faffe2_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been looking at plan9 on the internet and to say the truth=2C I'm =0A= mystified. What is it exactly? Is it meant to totally be better than =0A= Unix or any Unix-like system? How so? What kind of kernel does it use? = = --_1a1de8fb-813c-446e-bc10-9a61e2faffe2_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've been looking at plan9 on th= e internet and to say the truth=2C I'm =0A= mystified. What is it exactly? Is it meant to totally be better than =0A= Unix or any Unix-like system? How so? What kind of kernel does it use? =
= --_1a1de8fb-813c-446e-bc10-9a61e2faffe2_-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 23:14:48 -0400 From: sl@9front.org To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: <575aa47e9ab9ef318138daeb73b586c5@t43p.inri> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] What is Plan9 exactly? Topicbox-Message-UUID: f5402b2c-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 http://code.google.com/p/plan9front/wiki/fqa0 sl From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 15:26:12 +1200 Message-ID: From: Winston Kodogo To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c1ea10819a0604fb0e4edf Subject: Re: [9fans] What is Plan9 exactly? Topicbox-Message-UUID: f54451a2-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --001a11c1ea10819a0604fb0e4edf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Yeah, I'm mystified myself. Is this a troll or a serious enquiry? Trousers rolled. On 5 June 2014 15:10, OMAR RADWAN wrote: > I've been looking at plan9 on the internet and to say the truth, I'm > mystified. What is it exactly? Is it meant to totally be better than Unix > or any Unix-like system? How so? What kind of kernel does it use? > --001a11c1ea10819a0604fb0e4edf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yeah, I'm mystified myself. Is this a troll or a serio= us enquiry? Trousers rolled.


On 5 June 2014 15:10, OMAR RADWAN <owemeacent@l= ive.com> wrote:
I've been looking at plan9 on the internet and to= say the truth, I'm=20 mystified. What is it exactly? Is it meant to totally be better than=20 Unix or any Unix-like system? How so? What kind of kernel does it use? =

--001a11c1ea10819a0604fb0e4edf-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 21:28:50 -0600 Message-ID: From: andrey mirtchovski To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [9fans] What is Plan9 exactly? Topicbox-Message-UUID: f55c1490-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > Trousers rolled. down or up? From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_0134a4c2-7023-470a-99fe-8a7d8c4a0c51_" From: OMAR RADWAN To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 20:37:48 -0700 In-Reply-To: References: , , MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [9fans] What is Plan9 exactly? Topicbox-Message-UUID: f5662138-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --_0134a4c2-7023-470a-99fe-8a7d8c4a0c51_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm serious. I'm a Unix fan=2C I use BSD=2C Minix=2C Linux=2C and any unix-= like OS I can get my hands on. Sadly=2C except=2C System V or HP-UX=2C or a= ny UNIX. I read about Plan9 online=2C and it sounds like a great project. T= hough I do think that if this operating system if made to be better than Un= ix in every single way=2C it has to have a better kernel=2C which is someth= ing I am very interested about. What kind of kernel does it use? Why would = anyone use it? > Date: Wed=2C 4 Jun 2014 21:28:50 -0600 > From: mirtchovski@gmail.com > To: 9fans@9fans.net > Subject: Re: [9fans] What is Plan9 exactly? >=20 > > Trousers rolled. >=20 > down or up? >=20 = --_0134a4c2-7023-470a-99fe-8a7d8c4a0c51_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm serious. I'm a Unix fan=2C I= use BSD=2C Minix=2C Linux=2C and any unix-like OS I can get my hands on. S= adly=2C except=2C System V or HP-UX=2C or any UNIX. I read about Plan9 onli= ne=2C and it sounds like a great project. Though I do think that if this op= erating system if made to be better than Unix in every single way=2C it has= to have a better kernel=2C which is something I am very interested about. = What kind of kernel does it use? Why would anyone use it?

>= =3B Date: Wed=2C 4 Jun 2014 21:28:50 -0600
>=3B From: mirtchovski@gmai= l.com
>=3B To: 9fans@9fans.net
>=3B Subject: Re: [9fans] What is = Plan9 exactly?
>=3B
>=3B >=3B Trousers rolled.
>=3B
&= gt=3B down or up?
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= --_0134a4c2-7023-470a-99fe-8a7d8c4a0c51_-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 20:47:46 -0700 Message-ID: From: Alex Jordan To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01182fb6a88d6704fb0e9b64 Subject: Re: [9fans] What is Plan9 exactly? Topicbox-Message-UUID: f56a2dfa-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --089e01182fb6a88d6704fb0e9b64 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Jun 4, 2014 8:39 PM, "OMAR RADWAN" wrote: > I'm serious. I'm a Unix fan, I use BSD, Minix, Linux, and any unix-like OS I can get my hands on. Sadly, except, System V or HP-UX, or any UNIX. I read about Plan9 online, and it sounds like a great project. Though I do think that if this operating system if made to be better than Unix in every single way, it has to have a better kernel, which is something I am very interested about. What kind of kernel does it use? Why would anyone use it? All of this is on the wiki. I'd take some time to sit down and explore for yourself. --089e01182fb6a88d6704fb0e9b64 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Jun 4, 2014 8:39 PM, "OMAR RADWAN" <owemeacent@live.com> wrote:
> I'm serious. I'm a Unix fan, I use BSD, Minix, Linux, and any = unix-like OS I can get my hands on. Sadly, except, System V or HP-UX, or an= y UNIX. I read about Plan9 online, and it sounds like a great project. Thou= gh I do think that if this operating system if made to be better than Unix = in every single way, it has to have a better kernel, which is something I a= m very interested about. What kind of kernel does it use? Why would anyone = use it?
All of this is on the wiki. I'd take some time to sit down and explore = for yourself.

--089e01182fb6a88d6704fb0e9b64-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_b117a175-5139-4c20-a13d-7d7854a85e27_" From: OMAR RADWAN To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 22:11:23 -0700 In-Reply-To: References: , , , , MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [9fans] What is Plan9 exactly? Topicbox-Message-UUID: f56e2c2a-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --_b117a175-5139-4c20-a13d-7d7854a85e27_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just did=2C though I cannot find anything about the kernel architecture Date: Wed=2C 4 Jun 2014 20:47:46 -0700 From: alexander3223098@gmail.com To: 9fans@9fans.net Subject: Re: [9fans] What is Plan9 exactly? On Jun 4=2C 2014 8:39 PM=2C "OMAR RADWAN" wrote: =0A= > I'm serious. I'm a Unix fan=2C I use BSD=2C Minix=2C Linux=2C and any uni= x-like OS I can get my hands on. Sadly=2C except=2C System V or HP-UX=2C or= any UNIX. I read about Plan9 online=2C and it sounds like a great project.= Though I do think that if this operating system if made to be better than = Unix in every single way=2C it has to have a better kernel=2C which is some= thing I am very interested about. What kind of kernel does it use? Why woul= d anyone use it? =0A= =0A= All of this is on the wiki. I'd take some time to sit down and explore for = yourself. = --_b117a175-5139-4c20-a13d-7d7854a85e27_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I just did=2C though I canno= t find anything about the kernel architecture
Date: Wed=2C 4 Jun 2014 20:47:46 -0700
From: alexander3223098@gmail.c= om
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] What is Plan9 exactly?

On Jun 4=2C 2014 8:39 PM=2C "OMAR RADWAN" <=3Bowemeacent@live.com>=3B wrote:
=0A= >=3B I'm serious. I'm a Unix fan=2C I use BSD=2C Minix=2C Linux=2C and an= y unix-like OS I can get my hands on. Sadly=2C except=2C System V or HP-UX= =2C or any UNIX. I read about Plan9 online=2C and it sounds like a great pr= oject. Though I do think that if this operating system if made to be better= than Unix in every single way=2C it has to have a better kernel=2C which i= s something I am very interested about. What kind of kernel does it use? Wh= y would anyone use it?
=0A= =0A= All of this is on the wiki. I'd take some time to sit down and explore for = yourself.

= --_b117a175-5139-4c20-a13d-7d7854a85e27_-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 11:35:04 +0100 Message-ID: From: Charles Forsyth To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3890a48263504fb144c78 Subject: Re: [9fans] What is Plan9 exactly? Topicbox-Message-UUID: f57216f0-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --001a11c3890a48263504fb144c78 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 5 June 2014 06:11, OMAR RADWAN wrote: > I just did, though I cannot find anything about the kernel architecture Fortunately, there is a book about it. http://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.pdf which might have been updated to 4th Edtion, but the overall structure is similar, although with many improvements. --001a11c3890a48263504fb144c78 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On 5 June 2014 06:11, OMAR RADWAN <owemeacent@live.com> wr= ote:
I just did, though I cannot find anything about the kernel architecture

Fortunately, there is a book about it.=C2=A0http://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.pdf which mig= ht have been updated to 4th Edtion,
but the overall structure is similar, although w= ith many improvements.
--001a11c3890a48263504fb144c78-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: erik quanstrom Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 07:02:25 -0400 To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: <0b57dbf33b9c9286c18917a46e60e08e@brasstown.quanstro.net> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] What is Plan9 exactly? Topicbox-Message-UUID: f575e758-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Thu Jun 5 06:36:36 EDT 2014, charles.forsyth@gmail.com wrote: > On 5 June 2014 06:11, OMAR RADWAN wrote: > > > I just did, though I cannot find anything about the kernel architecture > > > Fortunately, there is a book about it. http://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.pdf which > might have been updated to 4th Edtion, > but the overall structure is similar, although with many improvements. also, brian's book: http://www.amazon.com/Brian-L.-Stuart/e/B001JS3E00 - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <9c8e0d4737bf4bba119571fbdccaa970@meiling.znet> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 14:08:44 -0400 From: brz-systemd-dev@intma.in To: 9fans@9fans.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] What is Plan9 exactly? Topicbox-Message-UUID: f581244c-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > What is it exactly? Just another step on the path to the one true operating system, OS X with Golang. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Yoann Padioleau To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 20:33:40 +0000 Message-ID: References: <575aa47e9ab9ef318138daeb73b586c5@t43p.inri> In-Reply-To: <575aa47e9ab9ef318138daeb73b586c5@t43p.inri> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <50DF03D533DB9D4598B7D35BF413DC19@fb.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [9fans] What is Plan9 exactly? Topicbox-Message-UUID: f5890ab8-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Nice! On Jun 4, 2014, at 8:14 PM, sl@9front.org wrote: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=3Dhttp://code.google.com/p/pla= n9front/wiki/fqa0&k=3DZVNjlDMF0FElm4dQtryO4A%3D%3D%0A&r=3D%2FN9d7W2LRwZks3e= yFNLr8Q%3D%3D%0A&m=3D932ql2s0yZzSIWvDmA7Ow3MAsKVfP6fSFQC%2Fj%2BdntMU%3D%0A&= s=3D5073da3bad45a50f3d32794c907cb48394fd92ea90ebf6a999b2470190f58110 >=20 > sl >=20 From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <575aa47e9ab9ef318138daeb73b586c5@t43p.inri> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 15:13:27 +0300 Message-ID: From: Eugene Gorodinsky To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bfced9cff97ec04fb29c914 Subject: Re: [9fans] What is Plan9 exactly? Topicbox-Message-UUID: f5d23602-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --047d7bfced9cff97ec04fb29c914 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >I'm a Unix fan, I use BSD, Minix, Linux, and any unix-like OS I can get my hands on. Why? P.S. The kernel is monolithic. Although, IIRC, there were attempts to make it a hybrid. 2014-06-05 23:33 GMT+03:00 Yoann Padioleau : > Nice! > > On Jun 4, 2014, at 8:14 PM, sl@9front.org wrote: > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=3Dhttp://code.google.com/p/pla= n9front/wiki/fqa0&k=3DZVNjlDMF0FElm4dQtryO4A%3D%3D%0A&r=3D%2FN9d7W2LRwZks3e= yFNLr8Q%3D%3D%0A&m=3D932ql2s0yZzSIWvDmA7Ow3MAsKVfP6fSFQC%2Fj%2BdntMU%3D%0A&= s=3D5073da3bad45a50f3d32794c907cb48394fd92ea90ebf6a999b2470190f58110 > > > > sl > > > > > --047d7bfced9cff97ec04fb29c914 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>I'm a Unix fan, I use BSD, Minix, Linux,= and any unix-like OS I can get my hands on.
Why?

P.S= . The kernel is monolithic. Although, IIRC, there were attempts to make it = a hybrid.


2014-06= -05 23:33 GMT+03:00 Yoann Padioleau <pad@fb.com>:
Nice!

On Jun 4, 2014, at 8:14 PM, sl@9front.org<= /a> wrote:

> https://urldefense.proofpoint.co= m/v1/url?u=3Dhttp://code.google.com/p/plan9front/wiki/fqa0&k=3DZVNjlDMF= 0FElm4dQtryO4A%3D%3D%0A&r=3D%2FN9d7W2LRwZks3eyFNLr8Q%3D%3D%0A&m=3D9= 32ql2s0yZzSIWvDmA7Ow3MAsKVfP6fSFQC%2Fj%2BdntMU%3D%0A&s=3D5073da3bad45a5= 0f3d32794c907cb48394fd92ea90ebf6a999b2470190f58110
>
> sl
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--047d7bfced9cff97ec04fb29c914-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: erik quanstrom Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 08:28:16 -0400 To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: <6bfc2cbb201875b5151532f2c4f7bac1@brasstown.quanstro.net> In-Reply-To: References: <575aa47e9ab9ef318138daeb73b586c5@t43p.inri> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] What is Plan9 exactly? Topicbox-Message-UUID: f5de8560-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > P.S. The kernel is monolithic. Although, IIRC, there were attempts to make > it a hybrid. this is far from the full story. because of the mount driver, many things may be in the kernel or userland according to what makes sense. for example, the ip stack has moved back and forth several times. the usb interface implementations are in user space. etc. partfs(8) (sic, should be in section 4) and sdloop(3) in 9atom are both loopback drivers that appear to be served through sd(3), but partfs is in userspace and sdloop is in the kernel. likewise, resources can be imported from other machines' kernels or userspace in the same way. for example, i can import a gateway's ip stack and use it directly as if it were local. thus, while the kernel is fairly traditional, the capabilities are not. - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: To: 9fans@9fans.net Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 14:39:10 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: <6bfc2cbb201875b5151532f2c4f7bac1@brasstown.quanstro.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] What is Plan9 exactly? Topicbox-Message-UUID: f662c71c-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > thus, while the kernel is fairly traditional, the capabilities are not. They should be, but tradition is slow to catch on. L.