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Mon, 13 May 2024 10:59:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8122BD1CA772D8E283AAED63FDC339E5@eigenstate.org> <17155935070.19Cc2BF.51884@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> <17156013840.6779.8589@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> <5933f4a4-11bd-4349-8281-f1751cd4829b@posixcafe.org> <17156126590.a4A4A5.85311@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> <17156157800.3fEacD4.597083@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> <20240513130150.4de5a6fdb6a481d8ef6d4cba@eigenstate.org> In-Reply-To: <20240513130150.4de5a6fdb6a481d8ef6d4cba@eigenstate.org> From: adventures in9 Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 10:59:21 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front) To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 915211de-1152-11ef-82b4-5a50fd8b7b06 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UZTA1MWYyMzBmMjY1NmJiYi1NOTdiNWNkODZkYjNlYjA0YmFjN2Fl?= =?UTF-8?B?MDVhPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M97b5cd86db3eb04bac7ae05a:1:ToTHGEMkHtlUjrmGwCFkRXkoIpxfc5khRFJ7dh-lrUY Suggesting ways to try out a Plan9 system is not a hypothetical for me. I put myself out there doing videos demonstrating Plan9 systems, and so I get questions all the time. Everyone has access to amd64 machines. The used market is flooded with retired quad core amd64 Dell and Lenovo office desktops. Most experienced Linux users who want to try a Plan9 system can also navigate qemu. 9Front covers all these use cases. The typical problems that arise are lack of drivers, which 9Legacy is even worse with. Besides the hardware issue, the biggest benefit from 9Front is that it has an active community all working on the same fork. The most eye opening thing about this whole long exchange is that the old Plan9 people are largely working alone on private forks. On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 10:02=E2=80=AFAM Ori Bernstein = wrote: > > On Mon, 13 May 2024 11:56:20 -0400 > "ibrahim via 9fans" <9fans@9fans.net> wrote: > > > I'm wondering why you don't adjust it so that 9front can also be run th= ere. >=20 > Because 9vx is a hacky dead end; it fundamentally > only runs (and can only run) on 32-bit x86. It > works because of a quirk of 32-bit x86 addressing. >=20 > Linux distros are wanting to drop support for > running 32 bit binaries (Ubuntu tried in 2019, > others have tried on and off). >=20 > Macs no longer ship x86 processors, and even the > ones that have x86 cpus dropped support for 32-bit > binaries 5 years ago. >=20 > I have no idea what windows is up to. >=20 > Basically, qemu/drawterm works better in more or > less every way. ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Te051f230f2656bbb-M97b5c= d86db3eb04bac7ae05a Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription