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From: Giacomo Tesio <giacomo@tesio.it>
To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>, raingloom <raingloom@riseup.net>,
	mycroftiv 9gridchan <mycroftiv@sphericalharmony.com>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 10:24:36 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CDA3E7B2-F10A-43F3-AF2F-2E25472193BE@tesio.it> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220127053516.4a9022f6@riseup.net>

Hi raingloom, mycroftiv and 9fans,

As you might know I'm pretty heretic in Plan 9 (as much that my for is called Jehanne) 
and I'm also very sympathetic with SJW victims, mostly because SJW basically
try to impose worldwide a US-workplace ethos that is compatible with US-styled 
corporate management.

More often than not, they are in good faith.
But ultimately they become tools of US colonialism, spreading their cultural hegemony.
The trick is basically: convince everybody that they have your problems 
(eg, systemic racism, lgtqmi+ phobics, gender bias and so on) so that they
will accept your corporate-friendly solutions (eg CoCs...)

In Europe being inclusive doesn't mean to be hypocrital, and that's why I'd really like 
to know what "sin" Nemo did to cause all this debate.

More often than not, SJW raise their swords after fictional issues that amount to nothing
and could be basically settled with a honest conversation between openminded adults.

More often than not, what a SJW consider outragous and evil, is said
in a completely different cultural context and environment, so much that they
simply can't (or don't care to) interpret it as intended and understood in that context.

Finally, more often than not, SJW inclusiveness stops before weird people,
(like hackers often are) that do NOT belong to the demographic groups that
populate US's remorse, like blacks, women and so on.

Not to mention that often they are plain blind with the harm their corporations 
cause worldwide (think of the Facebook's SJW that obtained the removal of RMS 
from GCC Steering Committee).

On January 27, 2022 4:35:16 AM UTC, raingloom <raingloom@riseup.net> wrote:
> Side note: technology is political. Deal with it. Software that helps
> no one is of no use and who you choose to help with software and count
> as a stakeholder (which includes but is not limited to users) is an
> inherently political question. Ignoring that just means that you prefer
> the status quo.

I totally agree with this. [1]

Since neolithic, technology is a prosecution of politics by other means.

I agree so much that all my free software projects include a POLITICS.txt that 
explicitly declares the political goals they have.

However, thanks God, not all politics is based on cancel culture, yet.
Hackers do not cancel, we create.

If you feel the need to cancel Nemo's great influence over Plan 9, I'm not interested.

If you want to update his great books, eg to describe 9front, I'd really like to help.
But I'd love to work WITH Nemo, not against him.

I might disagree with Nemo's view on general politics (I really do not know his takes 
on anything) but I think I might well work with him on a well defined political goal
(say "document 9front internals so that anybody can more easily hack it").

Or maybe he doesn't like 9front and prefer to stick to plan9foundation's code, in 
which case I would't partecipate because I can't trust several of the founders [2].

Sure, as you say, deciding who your project serves and how is a political choice.
But it has nothing to do with who you cancel.

Technology is Politics.

But Politics, to me, is to build bridges, not walls.
Cancelling Nemo is not a political achievement.

Building on the great work he donated to this community, is.

My 2 cents.


[1] http://www.tesio.it/2019/06/03/what-is-informatics.html

[2] http://www.tesio.it/2018/02/14/what-i-wish-i-knew-before-contributing-to-open-source.html

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-01-27 10:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-24 11:12 mycroftiv 9gridchan
2022-01-24 12:02 ` Alexandr Babic
2022-01-24 12:13   ` hiro
2022-01-24 12:38     ` Duke Normandin
2022-01-24 14:42       ` Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir
2022-01-24 16:43         ` Duke Normandin
2022-01-24 17:40       ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2022-01-24 17:49         ` Duke Normandin
2022-01-24 17:53           ` Pablo Tesari
2022-01-24 17:56             ` Clout Tolstoy
2022-01-24 18:06               ` Thaddeus Woskowiak
2022-01-24 18:06                 ` Thaddeus Woskowiak
2022-01-24 17:55         ` Re[2]: " Alexandr Babic
2022-01-24 18:02           ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2022-01-24 18:07             ` Jeremy Jackins
2022-01-24 18:18               ` Lucas Francesco
2022-01-24 18:20             ` Keith Gibbs
2022-01-24 18:33               ` Re[2]: " Alexandr Babic
2022-01-24 18:46                 ` Eli Cohen
2022-01-24 18:47                 ` Keith Gibbs
2022-01-24 12:45 ` Steve Simon
2022-01-24 12:49   ` Federico Benavento
2022-01-24 12:56     ` Alexandr Babic
2022-01-24 18:18 ` [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundationy adr
2022-01-24 23:48   ` hiro
2022-01-25  0:30     ` [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation adr
2022-01-25  0:57       ` hiro
2022-01-25  4:31         ` Alexandr Babic
2022-01-25  5:36     ` [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundationy Lucio De Re
2022-01-25  7:23       ` [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation adr
2022-01-25  7:26         ` Alexandr Babic
2022-01-25  7:32         ` Keith Gibbs
2022-01-25  7:38           ` Alexandr Babic
2022-01-25  8:58         ` hiro
2022-01-25 12:26           ` Wes Kussmaul
2022-01-25 15:39             ` Clout Tolstoy
2022-01-25 18:17               ` hiro
2022-01-25 19:44                 ` Clout Tolstoy
2022-01-25 20:26                   ` [9fans] War And Peace Wes Kussmaul
2022-01-28 21:18         ` [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation: adr
2022-01-28 21:37           ` hiro
2022-01-24 20:58 ` [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation Marshall Conover
2022-01-24 21:12   ` Russ Cox
2022-01-27  4:35 ` raingloom
2022-01-27 10:24   ` Giacomo Tesio [this message]
2022-01-30  2:56     ` raingloom
2022-01-27 16:11   ` ori
2022-01-27 22:45     ` hiro
2022-01-27 21:02   ` hiro
2022-01-27 21:43     ` Wes Kussmaul
2022-01-27 21:48     ` ori
2022-01-27 22:09     ` Giacomo Tesio

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