Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

[Giacomo Tesio <giacomo@tesio.it>]

Hi raingloom, mycroftiv and 9fans,

As you might know I'm pretty heretic in Plan 9 (as much that my for is called Jehanne) 
and I'm also very sympathetic with SJW victims, mostly because SJW basically
try to impose worldwide a US-workplace ethos that is compatible with US-styled 
corporate management.

More often than not, they are in good faith.
But ultimately they become tools of US colonialism, spreading their cultural hegemony.
The trick is basically: convince everybody that they have your problems 
(eg, systemic racism, lgtqmi+ phobics, gender bias and so on) so that they
will accept your corporate-friendly solutions (eg CoCs...)

In Europe being inclusive doesn't mean to be hypocrital, and that's why I'd really like 
to know what "sin" Nemo did to cause all this debate.

More often than not, SJW raise their swords after fictional issues that amount to nothing
and could be basically settled with a honest conversation between openminded adults.

More often than not, what a SJW consider outragous and evil, is said
in a completely different cultural context and environment, so much that they
simply can't (or don't care to) interpret it as intended and understood in that context.

Finally, more often than not, SJW inclusiveness stops before weird people,
(like hackers often are) that do NOT belong to the demographic groups that
populate US's remorse, like blacks, women and so on.

Not to mention that often they are plain blind with the harm their corporations 
cause worldwide (think of the Facebook's SJW that obtained the removal of RMS 
from GCC Steering Committee).

On January 27, 2022 4:35:16 AM UTC, raingloom <raingloom@riseup.net> wrote:
> 
> Side note: technology is political. Deal with it. Software that helps
> no one is of no use and who you choose to help with software and count
> as a stakeholder (which includes but is not limited to users) is an
> inherently political question. Ignoring that just means that you prefer
> the status quo.

I totally agree with this. [1]

Since neolithic, technology is a prosecution of politics by other means.

I agree so much that all my free software projects include a POLITICS.txt that 
explicitly declares the political goals they have.


However, thanks God, not all politics is based on cancel culture, yet.
Hackers do not cancel, we create.

If you feel the need to cancel Nemo's great influence over Plan 9, I'm not interested.

If you want to update his great books, eg to describe 9front, I'd really like to help.
But I'd love to work WITH Nemo, not against him.

I might disagree with Nemo's view on general politics (I really do not know his takes 
on anything) but I think I might well work with him on a well defined political goal
(say "document 9front internals so that anybody can more easily hack it").

Or maybe he doesn't like 9front and prefer to stick to plan9foundation's code, in 
which case I would't partecipate because I can't trust several of the founders [2].


Sure, as you say, deciding who your project serves and how is a political choice.
But it has nothing to do with who you cancel.


Technology is Politics.

But Politics, to me, is to build bridges, not walls.
Cancelling Nemo is not a political achievement.

Building on the great work he donated to this community, is.


My 2 cents.



Giacomo

[1] http://www.tesio.it/2019/06/03/what-is-informatics.html

[2] http://www.tesio.it/2018/02/14/what-i-wish-i-knew-before-contributing-to-open-source.html

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