[9fans] abaco's UI

[9fans] abaco's UI

[Federico G. Benavento]

Hi,

I'm planning a major rewrite of abaco, to fix some bugs and change the
UI.

This is what I have in mind:

Two bars on the top the first one with commands(Snarf, Download, Exit
and, maybe in a not so distant future, Look), and the second with the
current url, their would be frame(2)s, so you can edit them like in
acme.  A third bar would be at the bottom showing the url under the
mouse pointer.

Also would have scrollbars, because they are needed to render framed
pages.  Mouse's button 1 would open the url in the same window, 2
would drag the page and 3 would plumb the link.

Some of this changes were sujested by Kenji Okamoto and by Russ Cox.

So, what do you think?

Federico G.Benavento

PS: /n/sources/contrib/fgb/abaco_tables.tgz, is the current
state of abaco, notice that the rendering process is very, very slow and
this will be fixed in the rewrite.

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[9fans] abaco's UI

[erik quanstrom]

great!

on a related note, it's been mentioned that adding graphics to acme
isn't too hard. has anybody done this? i haven't even taken a look.
my todo list grows at twice the rate as the done list. ;-)

erik

"Federico G. Benavento" <benavento@gmail.com> writes

| 
| Hi,
| 
| I'm planning a major rewrite of abaco, to fix some bugs and change the
| UI.
| 
| This is what I have in mind:
| 
| Two bars on the top the first one with commands(Snarf, Download, Exit
| and, maybe in a not so distant future, Look), and the second with the
| current url, their would be frame(2)s, so you can edit them like in
| acme.  A third bar would be at the bottom showing the url under the
| mouse pointer.
| 
| Also would have scrollbars, because they are needed to render framed
| pages.  Mouse's button 1 would open the url in the same window, 2
| would drag the page and 3 would plumb the link.
| 
| Some of this changes were sujested by Kenji Okamoto and by Russ Cox.
| 
| So, what do you think?
| 
| Federico G.Benavento
| 
| PS: /n/sources/contrib/fgb/abaco_tables.tgz, is the current
| state of abaco, notice that the rendering process is very, very slow and
| this will be fixed in the rewrite.

Re: [9fans] abaco's UI

[andrey mirtchovski]

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005, erik quanstrom wrote:

> great!
>
> on a related note, it's been mentioned that adding graphics to acme
> isn't too hard. has anybody done this? i haven't even taken a look.
> my todo list grows at twice the rate as the done list. ;-)
>
> erik
>

Francisco Ballesteros's Plan B has acme with pictures :)

Re: [9fans] abaco's UI

[Paul Lalonde]

I started down that path a couple of months ago - I was wanting a  
simple 3-D line drawing tool that worked off a (symbolic) text  
description of the object.  Then most modeling operations become  
textual manipulations, and the interaction can be cast that way.
The first thing I needed was larger tags to hold the palette of  
operators, which led to a version of acme with the scroll wheel  
controlling tag size - Russ has evolved that into a more uniform acme- 
like UI that I'm starting to really like.  With luck we'll see it in  
the distribution soon.
But really, the change for graphics is pretty trivial: the window  
code is pretty isolated and all the text handling sits in libframe,  
so all you need is isolate those calls and replace them with your  
stuff.  The hard part is the absence of a window re-draw call.   
Acme's history as a bitblit based editor over a low-bandwidth line  
really shows - it really doesn't redraw what it doesn't need to.
The interesting question is what database of graphical information  
you want to use and display.  Abaco looks like an ever-improving 2D  
web solution, but I'm really interested in 2D vector graphics and 3D  
volume manipulations ^[à la SketchUp (www.sketchup.com)

Paul

On 10-Nov-05, at 6:46 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:

> great!
>
> on a related note, it's been mentioned that adding graphics to acme
> isn't too hard. has anybody done this? i haven't even taken a look.
> my todo list grows at twice the rate as the done list. ;-)
>
> erik
>
> "Federico G. Benavento" <benavento@gmail.com> writes
>
> |
> | Hi,
> |
> | I'm planning a major rewrite of abaco, to fix some bugs and  
> change the
> | UI.
> |
> | This is what I have in mind:
> |
> | Two bars on the top the first one with commands(Snarf, Download,  
> Exit
> | and, maybe in a not so distant future, Look), and the second with  
> the
> | current url, their would be frame(2)s, so you can edit them like in
> | acme.  A third bar would be at the bottom showing the url under the
> | mouse pointer.
> |
> | Also would have scrollbars, because they are needed to render framed
> | pages.  Mouse's button 1 would open the url in the same window, 2
> | would drag the page and 3 would plumb the link.
> |
> | Some of this changes were sujested by Kenji Okamoto and by Russ Cox.
> |
> | So, what do you think?
> |
> | Federico G.Benavento
> |
> | PS: /n/sources/contrib/fgb/abaco_tables.tgz, is the current
> | state of abaco, notice that the rendering process is very, very  
> slow and
> | this will be fixed in the rewrite.

Re: [9fans] abaco's UI

[Nils O. Selåsdal]

On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 03:45 +0100, Federico G. Benavento wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm planning a major rewrite of abaco, to fix some bugs and change the
> UI.
..

> PS: /n/sources/contrib/fgb/abaco_tables.tgz, is the current
> state of abaco, notice that the rendering process is very, very slow and
> this will be fixed in the rewrite.

People just interresting in the current state of affairs might benefit
from your screenshot at 
http://www.tip9ug.jp/who/fgb/abaco_tables.png