From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <20060427035159.GE15751@augusta.math.psu.edu> References: <20060427031152.WFVE15877.ibm65aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> <20060427035159.GE15751@augusta.math.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Lyndon Nerenberg Subject: Re: [9fans] bootalpha and the no valid stack error Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:19:21 -0700 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 4776e76c-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > Yes, there was Ultrix on the 11. I believe you can download it.... No thanks. > Ultrix was a succession of different systems, starting on the PDP-11 > but moving to the VAX and eventually MIPS. From 7th Edition, 4.1, or ??? I don't have the poster handy. What I recall of Ultrix 1.0 said it was 4.2BSD plus stuff (on the 785 at least). > I know that CMU did a port of OSF/1 to MIPS, but I don't think it was > generally available. And I certainly believe that a lot of the > development > work was hosted on MIPS and possibly even targeted MIPS before the > Alpha > was ready, but I don't ever recall it being a commercial offering from > DEC. Even after the Alpha was released, if you bought a MIPS or > VAX-based > machine from DEC, the only Unix offered was Ultrix. > > Maybe if you were one of those special customers you could get them to > give you OSF for MIPS, but I never ranked that high. :-) We were hit with VAX-based workstations, early MIPS-based workstations, and the new Sun Sparc pizza boxes, all at the same time. It was very confusing. It was also a lot more entertaining than chasing the generic foo86 hardware dragons that live today. > Oh, Ultrix was a pain to administer, especially after DEC dropped > support > for it. How so? Back then it was 4.2BSD + tools-to-be-ignored. You didn't actually use the 'admin tools', did you?!? I fell in love with AIX when I discovered the switch that made it convert the boot files from SYSV to /etc/rc.* As I admin machines with /bin/ed that same crowd is still trying to hack XML into vi. --lyndon