moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net

moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net

[Russ Cox]

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As you may know from the thread back in August, we've been running 9fans on
a self-hosted Mailman on a VM instance, with a spam blocking service in
front.

I've been working with Calvin Morrison of Fastmail on moving 9fans over to
Fastmail's hosted mailing list service, Topicbox.

The list address remains 9fans@9fans.net.
Searchable archives will be hosted at 9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans.

I think everything is ready to cut over, and I plan to try after sending
this message.  All addresses that were receiving mail from the old system
should start receiving mail from Topicbox automatically, and we've
preserved the "digest or not" bit as well. To manage your subscription, log
in to topicbox at 9fans.topicbox.com.

If all goes well, this will be the last message sent through the old system.
I will follow up with a message through the Topicbox system after the
cutover.

Best,
Russ

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Re: moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net

[Russ Cox]

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This mail should come through Topicbox. We will see. :-)


On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 12:57 PM Russ Cox <rsc@swtch.com> wrote:

> As you may know from the thread back in August, we've been running 9fans
> on a self-hosted Mailman on a VM instance, with a spam blocking service in
> front.
>
> I've been working with Calvin Morrison of Fastmail on moving 9fans over to
> Fastmail's hosted mailing list service, Topicbox.
>
> The list address remains 9fans@9fans.net.
> Searchable archives will be hosted at 9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans.
>
> I think everything is ready to cut over, and I plan to try after sending
> this message.  All addresses that were receiving mail from the old system
> should start receiving mail from Topicbox automatically, and we've
> preserved the "digest or not" bit as well. To manage your subscription, log
> in to topicbox at 9fans.topicbox.com.
>
> If all goes well, this will be the last message sent through the old
> system.
> I will follow up with a message through the Topicbox system after the
> cutover.
>
> Best,
> Russ
>

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Re: moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net

[Russ Cox]

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By all appearances, 9fans mail is flowing through Topicbox now.

The 9fans archives <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans> now hosted at
Topicbox contain all the messages
formerly at 9fans.net/archive (before that machine went down), dating
all the way back to July 1993. For fun, here's my first mail to 9fans
<https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T907e5dc9acc6a37b-M018d8428a7afa869ae454cdd/vt100>
.

Thanks very much to Calvin Morrison and the Topicbox team for their help!
I'm quite excited to have 9fans running on a properly maintained system
after all this time.

Best,
Russ

>

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Re: [9fans] Re: moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net

[Don Bailey]

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+1

On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 11:37 AM Russ Cox <rsc@swtch.com> wrote:

> By all appearances, 9fans mail is flowing through Topicbox now.
>
> The 9fans archives <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans> now hosted
> at Topicbox contain all the messages
> formerly at 9fans.net/archive (before that machine went down), dating
> all the way back to July 1993. For fun, here's my first mail to 9fans
> <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T907e5dc9acc6a37b-M018d8428a7afa869ae454cdd/vt100>
> .
>
> Thanks very much to Calvin Morrison and the Topicbox team for their help!
> I'm quite excited to have 9fans running on a properly maintained system
> after all this time.
>
> Best,
> Russ
>
>> *9fans <https://9fans.topicbox.com/latest>* / 9fans / see discussions
> <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans> + participants
> <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/members> + delivery options
> <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription> Permalink
> <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T73a7388a716e3644-M82d714aef31bd7d45c72648f>
>

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Re: [9fans] Re: moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net

[Calvin Morrison]

Message Recieved!

happy trails.
Calvin

On Fri, 11 Oct 2019 at 13:37, Russ Cox <rsc@swtch.com> wrote:
>
> By all appearances, 9fans mail is flowing through Topicbox now.
>
> The 9fans archives now hosted at Topicbox contain all the messages
> formerly at 9fans.net/archive (before that machine went down), dating
> all the way back to July 1993. For fun, here's my first mail to 9fans.
>
> Thanks very much to Calvin Morrison and the Topicbox team for their help!
> I'm quite excited to have 9fans running on a properly maintained system
> after all this time.
>
> Best,
> Russ
>
> 9fans / 9fans / see discussions + participants + delivery options Permalink

Re: [9fans] Re: moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net

[Rodrigo G. López]

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i know i'm late to the party, but shouldn't 9fans be running on a 9
machine/cluster?

On Fri, Oct 11, 2019, 7:35 PM Russ Cox <rsc@swtch.com> wrote:

> By all appearances, 9fans mail is flowing through Topicbox now.
>
> The 9fans archives <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans> now hosted
> at Topicbox contain all the messages
> formerly at 9fans.net/archive (before that machine went down), dating
> all the way back to July 1993. For fun, here's my first mail to 9fans
> <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T907e5dc9acc6a37b-M018d8428a7afa869ae454cdd/vt100>
> .
>
> Thanks very much to Calvin Morrison and the Topicbox team for their help!
> I'm quite excited to have 9fans running on a properly maintained system
> after all this time.
>
> Best,
> Russ
>
>> *9fans <https://9fans.topicbox.com/latest>* / 9fans / see discussions
> <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans> + participants
> <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/members> + delivery options
> <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription> Permalink
> <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T73a7388a716e3644-M82d714aef31bd7d45c72648f>
>

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Re: [9fans] Re: moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net

[hiro]

i received a lot of html here.

in addition to the original html sent by the authors there is now even
more html stuff, e.g. those footers:
 9fans / 9fans / see discussions + participants + delivery options
Permalink

there's also a plaintext version of this, adding 5 lines to every
email. all this seems quite redundent if you ask me.

personally i don't think it matters what software is used to host it
as long as it works reliably. since i registered on 9fans, russ did a
very good job with mail, thanks a lot for that - i only still miss
those web services you had on your website, russ! :))

Re: [9fans] Re: moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net

[Lucio De Re]

On 10/11/19, hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> wrote:
> [ ... ]
> there's also a plaintext version of this, adding 5 lines to every
> email. all this seems quite redundent if you ask me.
>
I can live with this...

Many thanks, Russ.

Lucio.

Re: moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net

[Anthony Martin]

Russ Cox <rsc@swtch.com> once said:
> The 9fans archives <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans> now
> hosted at Topicbox contain all the messages formerly at
> 9fans.net/archive (before that machine went down), dating all the way
> back to July 1993.

This is missing the dozen or so messages from the beginning of the
mailing list in April 1993. I have them in mbox format if you are
interested in adding them to your archive.

  Anthony

Re: [9fans] Re: moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net

[Anthony Martin]

hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> once said:
> there's also a plaintext version of this, adding 5 lines to every
> email. all this seems quite redundent if you ask me.

And it's all in duplicated in the headers.
Can it be turned off?

  Anthony

Re: moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net

[Anthony Martin]

Anthony Martin <ality@pbrane.org> once said:
> This is missing the dozen or so messages from the beginning of the
> mailing list in April 1993. I have them in mbox format if you are
> interested in adding them to your archive.

Also, the following messages in the Topicbox archive are duplicates.
They are identical except for an empty "Cc" header on the first one.

https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Td304f708de7d8d92-M42f72ee9d5148680750dc274/9fans-attention-new-list-address
https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Td304f708de7d8d92-Mc7db8bc68d73a0e7bf287d33/9fans-attention-new-list-address

This was the first message after the switch from psu.edu to 9fans.net.

Just checking edge cases. ☺

  Anthony

Re: [9fans] Re: moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net

[James A. Robinson]

> For fun, here's my first mail to 9fans.

Wow, this makes me feel my age.  I see your first email to the ilst
was 23 years ago and mine was 21 years ago!

Re: [9fans] Re: moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net

[Aram Hăvărneanu]

Test.

-- 
Aram Hăvărneanu

Re: [9fans] Re: moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net

[Darren Wise]

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Roger wilko, over! ;)

Seems to be working:D

On 14 October 2019 16:56:12 BST, "Aram Hăvărneanu" <aram.h@mgk.ro> wrote:
>Test.
>
>-- 
>Aram Hăvărneanu
>
>------------------------------------------
>9fans: 9fans
>Permalink:
>https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T73a7388a716e3644-M4477ede150279a780653725c
>Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription

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Re: [9fans] Re: moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net

[Skip Tavakkolian]

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If you can remember how long ago it was, you're not old enough :)

On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 1:35 PM James A. Robinson <jimr@highwirepress.com>
wrote:

> > For fun, here's my first mail to 9fans.
>
> Wow, this makes me feel my age.  I see your first email to the ilst
> was 23 years ago and mine was 21 years ago!
>
> ------------------------------------------
> 9fans: 9fans
> Permalink:
> https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T73a7388a716e3644-M239143a07611e83c4ec010a7
> Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
>

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Re: [9fans] moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net

[Federico Benavento]

Damn, my first post was more than 15 years ago, we are not as young as we used to.

—-
Federico G. Benavento
benavento@gmail.com

Re: [9fans] Re: moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net

[Ethan Gardener]

Glad the changeover was successful. :)

On Fri, Oct 11, 2019, at 8:14 PM, hiro wrote:
> i received a lot of html here.
> 
> in addition to the original html sent by the authors there is now even
> more html stuff, e.g. those footers:
>  9fans / 9fans / see discussions + participants + delivery options
> Permalink
> 
> there's also a plaintext version of this, adding 5 lines to every
> email. all this seems quite redundent if you ask me.

There's no html in your mail, at least.  

As for the footer, I'm sure I'll be glad to have the permalink in every email, and it's not in the headers.

I'm not commenting on the size of the headers though. :)

Re: [9fans] Re: moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net

[Anthony Martin]

Ethan Gardener <eekee57@fastmail.fm> once said:
> As for the footer, I'm sure I'll be glad to have the permalink in every
> email, and it's not in the headers.
>
> [...]
>
> Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T73a7388a716e3644-M377ada983df012733fe78595

It is in the headers:

Archived-At: <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T73a7388a716e3644-M377ada983df012733fe78595>

  Anthony

Re: [9fans] Re: moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net

[hiro]

btw. even though i dislike the links in the content of the message i
like the idea of this header to make the mail accessible in a global
namespace. and wondering if this is the case on any other mailing
lists or only a topicbox-internal standard...

Re: [9fans] Re: moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net

[Ethan Gardener]

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, at 8:38 AM, Anthony Martin wrote:
> Ethan Gardener <eekee57@fastmail.fm> once said:
> > As for the footer, I'm sure I'll be glad to have the permalink in every
> > email, and it's not in the headers.
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T73a7388a716e3644-M377ada983df012733fe78595
> 
> It is in the headers:
> 
> Archived-At: 
> <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T73a7388a716e3644-M377ada983df012733fe78595>

Ah, then there's a deficiency in both the standard and my mail client. I see this in the headers:

Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?=
 =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UNzNhNzM4OGE3MTZlMzY0NC1NM2I5MjYyMGQzNzhiYTIwNTA2NGNh?=
 =?UTF-8?B?MDg0Pg==?=

Re: [9fans] Re: moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net

[Calvin Morrison]

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, at 8:03 AM, hiro wrote:
> this is the case on any other mailing lists or only a topicbox-internal
> standard...

Quite right. RFC2369 describes most of the standard headers you'll be used to. However, I'm not aware of a permalink to web archives for each individual post.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2369

Cheers,
Calvin

Re: [9fans] moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net

[Fazlul Shahriar]

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Does 9fans-request@9fans.net still work for subscription? Can someone
update https://9p.io/wiki/plan9/mailing_lists/ since that's the first
result of a web search.

On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 12:58 PM Russ Cox <rsc@swtch.com> wrote:

> As you may know from the thread back in August, we've been running 9fans
> on a self-hosted Mailman on a VM instance, with a spam blocking service in
> front.
>
> I've been working with Calvin Morrison of Fastmail on moving 9fans over to
> Fastmail's hosted mailing list service, Topicbox.
>
> The list address remains 9fans@9fans.net.
> Searchable archives will be hosted at 9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans.
>
> I think everything is ready to cut over, and I plan to try after sending
> this message.  All addresses that were receiving mail from the old system
> should start receiving mail from Topicbox automatically, and we've
> preserved the "digest or not" bit as well. To manage your subscription, log
> in to topicbox at 9fans.topicbox.com.
>
> If all goes well, this will be the last message sent through the old
> system.
> I will follow up with a message through the Topicbox system after the
> cutover.
>
> Best,
> Russ
>

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Re: [9fans] moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net

[Anthony Sorace]

Archived-At is from RFC 5064.

	https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5064

The weird "=?UTF-8?B?" is an "Encoded Word", per RFC 2047. Email headers are defined to be 7-bit ASCII (yes, still); 2047 provides a way to encode other characters in email headers. Mind you, it looks like all the actual Archived-At links Topicbox would fit in 7-bit ASCII anyway and it'd be nice if they reserved the Encoded Word for when they needed it, but whatever; email is a mess and this is nice to have.

	https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2047

Anthony

> On Oct 23, 2019, at 10:45 , Calvin Morrison <calvin@fastmailteam.com> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, at 8:03 AM, hiro wrote:
>> this is the case on any other mailing lists or only a topicbox-internal
>> standard...
> 
> Quite right. RFC2369 describes most of the standard headers you'll be used to. However, I'm not aware of a permalink to web archives for each individual post.
> 
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2369
> 
> Cheers,
> Calvin
> 
> ------------------------------------------
> 9fans: 9fans
> Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T73a7388a716e3644-Me389cd73535c82b4365703bb
> Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription

Re: [9fans] moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net

[vp]

>> Does 9fans-request@9fans.net still work for subscription?
>
> It does not; not at the moment.

I got a note stating this will stay true indefinitely.

In Topicbox' defense their marketing line is "Group email for teams",
so saying it is not a very good mailing list package wouldn't be fair.

-- kvik

Re: [9fans] moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net

[vp]

> Does 9fans-request@9fans.net still work for subscription?

It does not; not at the moment.

I complained about it and the issue has been brought to Topicbox
team's attention.

-- kvik