From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <002101c2ff20$d2117130$2a8be793@gli.cas.cz> From: "peter a. cejchan" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01C2FF31.956C7A70" Subject: [9fans] java Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 07:19:54 +0200 Topicbox-Message-UUID: 8df21c58-eacb-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C2FF31.956C7A70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, is currently anybody porting java? Regards, ++pac. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C2FF31.956C7A70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

is currently anybody porting = java?

Regards,

++pac.

------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C2FF31.956C7A70-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: ron minnich To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] java In-Reply-To: <002101c2ff20$d2117130$2a8be793@gli.cas.cz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 08:58:57 -0600 Topicbox-Message-UUID: 8e17383a-eacb-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, peter a. cejchan wrote: > is currently anybody porting java? Well, if they are, let's get them to stop! ron From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <033d01c2ff75$68107240$644cb2cc@kds> From: "David Butler" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] java MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 10:24:37 -0500 Topicbox-Message-UUID: 8e31a49a-eacb-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 > > is currently anybody porting java? > > Well, if they are, let's get them to stop! I started this once, a long time ago, and I have to agree with Ron, it had to be stopped. Java as a language is not all bad. But, for Java to be useful to those that *know how to program in Java*, requires the class libraries, including the ones that support the computing environment and networking. This is the VERY BAD part. Java virtualizes a POSIX "computer" with "socket" networking. Why would one want this anywhere near Plan 9? I thought of ripping that stuff out and replacing it with the Plan 9 equivalents, but then it would not be "Pure Java" and would be unusable. Linux is the perfect platform for Java. If you want the network language type thing that Java promises (but hasn't delivered), then you want Limbo and Inferno from www.vitanuova.com. David From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <2a86475a67bbb78fe01c7bdebe49dbda@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] java Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:16:17 +0900 Topicbox-Message-UUID: 8e73965c-eacb-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 > Java promises (but hasn't delivered), then you want > Limbo and Inferno from www.vitanuova.com. I dislike those naming of Limbo and Inferno really. Why developpers selected such, say something like black humor, ones? I prefer something suggesting more bright future, indeed. kenji From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <23993bbca4e63461cf9d86a151a18c9f@vitanuova.com> From: C H Forsyth To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] java In-Reply-To: <033d01c2ff75$68107240$644cb2cc@kds> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 06:44:45 +0100 Topicbox-Message-UUID: 8e9f86d6-eacb-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 >>This is the VERY BAD part. Java virtualizes a POSIX >>"computer" with "socket" networking. Why would one >>want this anywhere near Plan 9? I thought of ripping >>that stuff out and replacing it with the Plan 9 equivalents, >>but then it would not be "Pure Java" and would be unusable. quite. it's also interesting how many people think networking is hard because of all that socket stuff; mimics of the OSI model; and of course W3C. there are sadly plenty of examples of `filling a much-needed gap'! From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] java From: Fco.J.Ballesteros In-Reply-To: <2a86475a67bbb78fe01c7bdebe49dbda@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:12:50 +0200 Topicbox-Message-UUID: 8ea66078-eacb-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 > I dislike those naming of Limbo and Inferno really. > Why developpers selected such, say something like > black humor, ones? > > I prefer something suggesting more bright future, > indeed. A brighter future that being warmly installed in the flames of Inferno? Naahhh From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <012901c30009$5fbaa900$c901a8c0@cc77109e> From: "Bruce Ellis" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <2a86475a67bbb78fe01c7bdebe49dbda@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> Subject: Re: [9fans] java MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 19:04:30 +1000 Topicbox-Message-UUID: 8ead3736-eacb-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 If you prefer Hell then choose java. If you think that Dante was misinformed - I disagree. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [9fans] java > > Java promises (but hasn't delivered), then you want > > Limbo and Inferno from www.vitanuova.com. > > I dislike those naming of Limbo and Inferno really. > Why developpers selected such, say something like > black humor, ones? > > I prefer something suggesting more bright future, > indeed. > > kenji > > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <23ed01c30009$ed45dbf0$eb4a800a@will5510> From: "will551" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <2a86475a67bbb78fe01c7bdebe49dbda@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> <012901c30009$5fbaa900$c901a8c0@cc77109e> Subject: Re: [9fans] java MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:08:33 +0100 Topicbox-Message-UUID: 8eb32ad8-eacb-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 kenji, Lou Reeds new album is all about Edgar Allen Poes - Dantes Inferno - its called "the raven" and takes the form of a play - maybe worth a look - might soften the blow when ure time comes! l8r will551 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Ellis" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [9fans] java > If you prefer Hell then choose java. > If you think that Dante was misinformed - I disagree. > > ----- Original Message ----- > >From: > To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 11:16 AM > Subject: Re: [9fans] java > > > > > Java promises (but hasn't delivered), then you want > > > Limbo and Inferno from www.vitanuova.com. > > > > I dislike those naming of Limbo and Inferno really. > > Why developpers selected such, say something like > > black humor, ones? > > > > I prefer something suggesting more bright future, > > indeed. > > > > kenji > > > > > > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <000501c30417$796fb9f0$2a8be793@gli.cas.cz> From: "peter a. cejchan" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] java Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:55:36 +0200 Topicbox-Message-UUID: 90a8f1ec-eacb-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 > This is the VERY BAD part. Java virtualizes a POSIX > "computer" with "socket" networking. Why would one Now I see.. > If you want the network language type thing that > Java promises (but hasn't delivered), then you want > Limbo and Inferno from www.vitanuova.com. I don't want anything like that at all. Just some people decided to write their code in Java instead of C, even if it (their code) has nothing to do with web or networking. Eeeh, I'll better hire a Java programmer to rip out the functionalitz and rewrite it in C... Thanks for elucidating me the point, xcheers, ++pac From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: From: matt@proweb.co.uk To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Java Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 00:59:33 +0000 Topicbox-Message-UUID: 09091706-eacd-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 Inferno can't do administration in the native OS? Poppycock! emu -d -r'/home/www/logs' '/usr/matt/process_logs.dis' (I think that's the correct syntax, I don't have one at hand to test but I did used to run it like that) Inferno is perfectly capable of running as a single program You can even put it in inetd if you were kinky enough or just run it as it's own listener. m From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Michael Jeffrey Message-ID: References: Subject: Re: [9fans] Java Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 13:46:37 +0000 Topicbox-Message-UUID: 0c9bcbde-eacd-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 wrote in message news:d5515dc7e461baf6037b28de26efc6ed@juice.thebigchoice.com... > Inferno is perfectly capable of running as a single program > > You can even put it in inetd if you were kinky enough or just run it as it's own listener. And not just on Linux and UNIX platforms. Vita Nuova have a collection of Limbo applications that can orchestrate the execution of programs across a computational grid consisting of UNIX, Linux and Windows machines. A recent customer of ours has connected >250 of their Windows PCs (2000, NT and XP) into a grid. Inferno manages the execution of the host OS application (Win32 app in this case) and the harvesting of the results. In this example Inferno runs as a Windows Service on each client. The scheduler, another Inferno application, happens to be running on Red Hat Linux. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "bituman" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:21:48 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [9fans] java Topicbox-Message-UUID: f63a9f10-ead0-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Ahoi. Just a short question. Does anyone planning or already implementing = the java vm? Sry if its a repost,im using my mobile to post,cant look = through the archives atm. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <14ec7b180602071236x42450488rb03276de3c8f52e7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 13:36:43 -0700 From: andrey mirtchovski To: bituman , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] java In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Cc: Topicbox-Message-UUID: f6409bb8-ead0-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 which answer have you put money on? On 2/7/06, bituman wrote: > Ahoi. Just a short question. Does anyone planning or already implementing= the java vm? Sry if its a repost,im using my mobile to post,cant look thro= ugh the archives atm. > > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: To: bituman@enerla.net, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] java Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:42:06 +0100 From: uriel@cat-v.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Topicbox-Message-UUID: f6b6180c-ead0-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > Ahoi. Just a short question. Does anyone planning or already > implementing the java vm? Sry if its a repost,im using my mobile to > post,cant look through the archives atm. There are a few threads about this in the 9fans archives. Who cares about java? We have Inferno and Limbo. If you are feeling really masochistic, like lucho, there is a link to a port of some JVM somewhere in the wiki, but I can't believe anyone in their right mind could willingly program in such language, specially when you have ken C, rc and Limbo to chose from. uriel From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <09d30d34f408e1ce86257d62ce5b7348@9netics.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] java Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:48:37 -0800 From: Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: f6c1f1e0-ead0-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > Ahoi. Just a short question. Does anyone planning or already implementing the java vm? Sry if its a repost,im using my mobile to post,cant look through the archives atm. no, and no; happy sailing. "Look, if we don't know it already, chances are we're not interested." -The Milgaro Beanfield War From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <0a96d6388dfeae23d89a456e4b957094@9netics.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] java Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:56:21 -0800 From: Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> In-Reply-To: <09d30d34f408e1ce86257d62ce5b7348@9netics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: f6c7d380-ead0-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > -The Milgaro Beanfield War Milagro From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <73B526EF-78A3-4119-9992-2A14D88A751F@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> From: Pietro Gagliardi Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:54:57 -0500 Subject: [9fans] Java Topicbox-Message-UUID: 305ad87a-ead3-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 I read on the Wiki that Kaffe was ported but the download link is broken. I also read that lucho was doing a port on CVM but I can't find much else. Does anyone have any info? Thanks. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <1a00fed0b9c52442ba5086d8d65b8bb4@yourdomain.dom> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Java From: "Federico G. Benavento" Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:19:44 -0200 In-Reply-To: <73B526EF-78A3-4119-9992-2A14D88A751F@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 305fdafa-ead3-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 hola, > I read on the Wiki that Kaffe was ported but the download link is > broken. I also read that lucho was doing a port on CVM but I can't > find much else. Does anyone have any info? Thanks. http://plan9.aichi-u.ac.jp/netlib/kaffe/ it's really old and why would anyone want java? From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:04:31 -0500 From: Yaroslav To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Java In-Reply-To: <1a00fed0b9c52442ba5086d8d65b8bb4@yourdomain.dom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <73B526EF-78A3-4119-9992-2A14D88A751F@mac.com> <1a00fed0b9c52442ba5086d8d65b8bb4@yourdomain.dom> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 3077f70c-ead3-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 2008/1/16, Federico G. Benavento : > hola, > > > I read on the Wiki that Kaffe was ported but the download link is > > broken. I also read that lucho was doing a port on CVM but I can't > > find much else. Does anyone have any info? Thanks. > > http://plan9.aichi-u.ac.jp/netlib/kaffe/ > > it's really old and why would anyone want java? > > Too lazy to learn limbo?.. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: References: <73B526EF-78A3-4119-9992-2A14D88A751F@mac.com> <1a00fed0b9c52442ba5086d8d65b8bb4@yourdomain.dom> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Pietro Gagliardi Subject: Re: [9fans] Java Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:58:45 -0500 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 307dc84e-ead3-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Does Plan 9 have a native limbo compiler? I tried Inferno once. It was slow, and Charon didn't have CSS, so pages were as ugly as on abaco (which is part of what I'm working on: using X11 to compile a foreign browser). On Jan 16, 2008, at 8:04 PM, Yaroslav wrote: > 2008/1/16, Federico G. Benavento : >> hola, >> >>> I read on the Wiki that Kaffe was ported but the download link is >>> broken. I also read that lucho was doing a port on CVM but I can't >>> find much else. Does anyone have any info? Thanks. >> >> http://plan9.aichi-u.ac.jp/netlib/kaffe/ >> >> it's really old and why would anyone want java? >> >> > Too lazy to learn limbo?.. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: References: <73B526EF-78A3-4119-9992-2A14D88A751F@mac.com> <1a00fed0b9c52442ba5086d8d65b8bb4@yourdomain.dom>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Pietro Gagliardi Subject: Re: [9fans] Java Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:00:21 -0500 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 3083fa52-ead3-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 And PS - I was interested in Java for several, non-related reasons. On Jan 16, 2008, at 8:58 PM, Pietro Gagliardi wrote: > Does Plan 9 have a native limbo compiler? I tried Inferno once. It > was slow, and Charon didn't have CSS, so pages were as ugly as on > abaco (which is part of what I'm working on: using X11 to compile a > foreign browser). > > On Jan 16, 2008, at 8:04 PM, Yaroslav wrote: > >> 2008/1/16, Federico G. Benavento : >>> hola, >>> >>>> I read on the Wiki that Kaffe was ported but the download link is >>>> broken. I also read that lucho was doing a port on CVM but I can't >>>> find much else. Does anyone have any info? Thanks. >>> >>> http://plan9.aichi-u.ac.jp/netlib/kaffe/ >>> >>> it's really old and why would anyone want java? >>> >>> >> Too lazy to learn limbo?.. > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:05:46 -0200 From: "Iruata Souza" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Java In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <73B526EF-78A3-4119-9992-2A14D88A751F@mac.com> <1a00fed0b9c52442ba5086d8d65b8bb4@yourdomain.dom>

Topicbox-Message-UUID: 3089e12e-ead3-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Jan 16, 2008 11:58 PM, Pietro Gagliardi wrote: > Does Plan 9 have a native limbo compiler? I tried Inferno once. It > was slow, and Charon didn't have CSS, so pages were as ugly as on > abaco (which is part of what I'm working on: using X11 to compile a > foreign browser). > > limbo has a css module. iru From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Java From: "Federico G. Benavento" Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 01:48:49 -0200 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 30900fb8-ead3-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > On Jan 16, 2008 11:58 PM, Pietro Gagliardi wrote: >> Does Plan 9 have a native limbo compiler? I tried Inferno once. It >> was slow, and Charon didn't have CSS, so pages were as ugly as on >> abaco (which is part of what I'm working on: using X11 to compile a >> foreign browser). I have most of the X11 libs ported to Plan 9, so I can compile things like xeyes, of course I don't have an Xserver, yet... I'd built an SDL kdrive X server, but as soon as a client connects it crashes I thought it was SDL port's fault, so I built Xvfb which does everything in a virtual framebuffer and had the same problem, so it's not SDL's fault. my guess is that the problem is between X and ape's select/listen/etc. now, the question is why do I want X, well... http://www.tip9ug.jp/who/fgb/opera9.jpg there you have opera and Xvnc under linuxemu and a vncv(1) window to display everything. so, yes I have opera on Plan 9 (thanks to cinap) but it's kinda overkill. if anyone wants to help with the debugging , mail me off list oh, and about limbo on Plan 9, of course that there is a native limbo compiler for Plan 9, you'll have to to run your .dis inside limbo, but that's not problem at all, because inferno doesn't waste your memory. Federico G. Benavento --- /bin/fortune: ERROR CREEPOUT HAS BEGUN From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <775b8d190801162019ne5fefefr6d6eef4a3bc225c1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:19:05 +1100 From: "Bruce Ellis" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Java In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Topicbox-Message-UUID: 30956e40-ead3-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 i did the java class loader for inferno. it was a pointless exercise, and i told them. but then i quit. somehow i was unimpressed by the situation. brucee On Jan 17, 2008 2:48 PM, Federico G. Benavento wrote: > > > On Jan 16, 2008 11:58 PM, Pietro Gagliardi wrote: > >> Does Plan 9 have a native limbo compiler? I tried Inferno once. It > >> was slow, and Charon didn't have CSS, so pages were as ugly as on > >> abaco (which is part of what I'm working on: using X11 to compile a > >> foreign browser). > > I have most of the X11 libs ported to Plan 9, so I can compile things like > xeyes, of course I don't have an Xserver, yet... > > I'd built an SDL kdrive X server, but as soon as a client connects it crashes > I thought it was SDL port's fault, so I built Xvfb which does everything in > a virtual framebuffer and had the same problem, so it's not SDL's fault. > > my guess is that the problem is between X and ape's select/listen/etc. > > now, the question is why do I want X, well... > > http://www.tip9ug.jp/who/fgb/opera9.jpg > > there you have opera and Xvnc under linuxemu and a vncv(1) window > to display everything. so, yes I have opera on Plan 9 (thanks to cinap) > but it's kinda overkill. > > if anyone wants to help with the debugging , mail me off list > > oh, and about limbo on Plan 9, of course that there is a native limbo > compiler for Plan 9, you'll have to to run your .dis inside limbo, > but that's not problem at all, because inferno doesn't waste your > memory. > > > Federico G. Benavento > > --- > /bin/fortune: > ERROR CREEPOUT HAS BEGUN > > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <32df552fad60582de8ec364d60b71b23@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Java From: Charles Forsyth Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:29:50 +0000 In-Reply-To: <775b8d190801162019ne5fefefr6d6eef4a3bc225c1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 309b1c5a-ead3-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > i did the java class loader for inferno. it was a pointless > exercise, and i told them. but then i quit. somehow i was i'd better point out that Brucee's `them' was Lucent's Inferno Business Unit, not Vita Nuova. they wasted a fair amount of time and money on it. we've got the results, including brucee's contributions, but to run any java on it (ignoring changes in JVM meanwhile) requires lots of surrounding expensive sun proprietary software, which is why it was never included in a distribution. since some of the more enthusiastic java puffers have themselves moved on, writing books such as ``Beyond Java'', probably there's no point in it now. i think it's the worst language i've ever used (and i've used RPG and FORTRAN II). From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <478F1299.6060804@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:32:25 -0500 From: Robert William Fuller User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071013) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Java References: <80e4bf3dd2a57c38bee10a1ecb324008@terzarima.net> In-Reply-To: <80e4bf3dd2a57c38bee10a1ecb324008@terzarima.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 30a7b1ea-ead3-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Charles Forsyth wrote: >> limbo has a css module. > > yes, but no one has done the work to get charon (or something else) to use it. > rather than doing that now, it might be worthwhile trying to skip a generation, > since people are starting to realise that there might be other possible interfaces to > the Internet(!). i've seen a few articles along the lines of ``beyond the browser''. > such novelty! Why stop there? Who needs IP support? Why support IP? Surely its days are numbered. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <80e4bf3dd2a57c38bee10a1ecb324008@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Java From: Charles Forsyth Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:34:14 +0000 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 30a0bb38-ead3-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > limbo has a css module. yes, but no one has done the work to get charon (or something else) to use it. rather than doing that now, it might be worthwhile trying to skip a generation, since people are starting to realise that there might be other possible interfaces to the Internet(!). i've seen a few articles along the lines of ``beyond the browser''. such novelty! From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <775b8d190801170103o2b0a4917qfdc7108716976055@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:03:49 +1100 From: "Bruce Ellis" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Java In-Reply-To: <32df552fad60582de8ec364d60b71b23@terzarima.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <775b8d190801162019ne5fefefr6d6eef4a3bc225c1@mail.gmail.com> <32df552fad60582de8ec364d60b71b23@terzarima.net> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 30b3e456-ead3-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 yes. tho' last i saw was a ``Learn To Write A Java Book in 7 Days". i think it was released just before ``Dummies for Dummies". Charles and VN have better taste. brucee On Jan 17, 2008 7:29 PM, Charles Forsyth wrote: > > i did the java class loader for inferno. it was a pointless > > exercise, and i told them. but then i quit. somehow i was > > i'd better point out that Brucee's `them' was Lucent's Inferno Business Unit, > not Vita Nuova. they wasted a fair amount of time and money on it. > we've got the results, including brucee's contributions, but to run any java > on it (ignoring changes in JVM meanwhile) requires lots of surrounding expensive > sun proprietary software, which is why it was never included in a distribution. > since some of the more enthusiastic java puffers have themselves moved on, > writing books such as ``Beyond Java'', probably there's no point in it now. > i think it's the worst language i've ever used (and i've used RPG and FORTRAN II). From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <73B526EF-78A3-4119-9992-2A14D88A751F@mac.com> References: <73B526EF-78A3-4119-9992-2A14D88A751F@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Latchesar Ionkov Subject: Re: [9fans] Java Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:48:30 -0700 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 30eead0c-ead3-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 If I remember correctly, the CVM port was mostly working, it had some problems with the network classes that I didn't bother to fix. I lost interest because there was not a practical (i.e. one that doesn't require talking to lawyers and managers at Sun) way of distributing the port. The license allowed me to share my changes only with developers that accepted the same license. If you accepted their license and are interested in finishing the port and/or push the changes to newer versions written in C (if they still have something written in plain C), I can check if I still have the port. Thanks, Lucho On Jan 16, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Pietro Gagliardi wrote: > I read on the Wiki that Kaffe was ported but the download link is > broken. I also read that lucho was doing a port on CVM but I can't > find much else. Does anyone have any info? Thanks. >