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(Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front) Date: Sun, 12 May 2024 21:32:43 -0400 From: ori@eigenstate.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: b75abfaa-10c8-11ef-8d4e-e63d897bcd68 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UY2YxMjhmYTk1NWI4YWFmYy1NMGE5NGM3MTAyMjg2ZTQ2MmE5NzJh?= =?UTF-8?B?MzEwPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M0a94c7102286e462a972a310:1:LeFSSlu1PicI9GO8kHQMdjOJhdz3VLdhBZq9_-_aQhM I don't think this approach has ever worked in the open source world -- it always starts with someone building something useful. The vision and goal is defined by the work being done. After something useful is built, people start to join in and contribute. After enough people join in, it makes sense to have more organization. Quoth vester.thacker@fastmail.fm: > The complexity of communication in this medium often necessitates detaile= d discussions. You highlighted the need for additional personnel to manage= the workload (e.g. do the work). From my perspective, this requires a wel= l-defined vision, clear objectives, and a prioritized list of deliverables = to align efforts effectively. Currently, it seems the role of product mana= gers is collectively held, though it's unclear who exactly is responsible. = Typically, a team of two or more individuals would focus on these delivera= bles. In past projects, I've seen the use of a project board to keep every= one updated on tasks=E2=80=94an approach known as "information radiator" in= project management. I'm open to other methods if you had something differ= ent in mind that I may have overlooked. If you are considering a meritocra= cy, I would recommend caution. Experience has shown that what we truly nee= d is increased collaboration and unity, rather than a system that could pot= entially encourage competition and division. I apologize if my message is = obtuse, I am trying to keep this message concise, I can expound more for cl= arity. I hope my explanation helps.=20 >=20 > Vic >=20 >=20 > On Mon, May 13, 2024, at 03:36, ori@eigenstate.org wrote: > > that's not what I said. > > > > Quoth vic.thacker@fastmail.fm: > >> I agree that having a clear vision and charter is essential before for= ming a team. Regarding building an inclusive Plan 9 community that encompas= ses multiple groups, it's important to establish common goals and values th= at resonate with all members. What are your thoughts on creating open chann= els for dialogue and collaboration? How can we ensure that everyone feels v= alued and heard? This approach could foster a more cooperative and inclusiv= e environment. > >>=20 > >> Vic > >>=20 > >>=20 > >> On Sun, May 12, 2024, at 16:19, plan6@room3420.net wrote: > >> > "tl;dr: you need people doing the work before you can try > >> > to organize them; the way to get people doing the work is > >> > to bootstrap it by doing work and showing value." [from Ori]. > >> > or > >> > "Don't be the kid who can't play [whatever]ball but wants to teach > >> > everybody and be the team coach, just because he read a book." ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tcf128fa955b8aafc-M0a94c= 7102286e462a972a310 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription