* [9fans] Does Plan 9 work under Microsoft's Hyper-V? @ 2008-08-27 8:02 bituman 2008-08-27 8:24 ` Paweł Lasek ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: bituman @ 2008-08-27 8:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs I couldnt got Plan9 to natively run on my machine, so i thought it'd be a nice 2-in-1 learning experience to get it working under Hyper-V. Since i wouldnt like the one thing i learn to be: this cant be done, id like to ask if anyone had succes getting it run with MS virtualization? Sandor Nagy ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Does Plan 9 work under Microsoft's Hyper-V? 2008-08-27 8:02 [9fans] Does Plan 9 work under Microsoft's Hyper-V? bituman @ 2008-08-27 8:24 ` Paweł Lasek 2008-08-27 8:29 ` Steve Simon 2008-08-27 12:17 ` Eris Discordia 2 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Paweł Lasek @ 2008-08-27 8:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:02, bituman <bituman@enerla.net> wrote: > I couldnt got Plan9 to natively run on my machine, so i thought it'd be a > nice 2-in-1 learning experience to get it working under Hyper-V. > Since i wouldnt like the one thing i learn to be: this cant be done, id like > to ask if anyone had succes getting it run with MS virtualization? > > Sandor Nagy > > If the Xen 3.x port is in any shape, it would be a good starting point for running it under Hyper-V, as it was advertised to support Xen guests. Also there might be some way to make it emulate a full machine, but I don't know about that. It certainly would be an interesting solution for getting Plan 9 into Business - Windows 2008 seems to be fairly well integrated with Hyper-V. -- Paweł Lasek ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Does Plan 9 work under Microsoft's Hyper-V? 2008-08-27 8:02 [9fans] Does Plan 9 work under Microsoft's Hyper-V? bituman 2008-08-27 8:24 ` Paweł Lasek @ 2008-08-27 8:29 ` Steve Simon 2008-08-27 12:17 ` Eris Discordia 2 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Steve Simon @ 2008-08-27 8:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans I have no idea about Hyper-V, however plan9 does run under qemu and under vmware on windows. Also a windows 9vx implementation is in progress. -Steve ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Does Plan 9 work under Microsoft's Hyper-V? 2008-08-27 8:02 [9fans] Does Plan 9 work under Microsoft's Hyper-V? bituman 2008-08-27 8:24 ` Paweł Lasek 2008-08-27 8:29 ` Steve Simon @ 2008-08-27 12:17 ` Eris Discordia 2008-08-27 12:33 ` Robert Raschke 2 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Eris Discordia @ 2008-08-27 12:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs I tried running Plan 9 4e on Microsoft Virtual PC (v6.0.156.0, both 32- and 64-bit versions). It wouldn't work due to a strange problem with (virtual) disk I/O. Virtual Server 2005 uses similar technology so I think it would fail, too. Though, I didn't exactly give it a try. Hardware virtualization often creates more problems that software, right? --On Wednesday, August 27, 2008 10:02 AM +0200 bituman <bituman@enerla.net> wrote: > I couldn't got Plan9 to natively run on my machine, so i thought it'd be a > nice 2-in-1 learning experience to get it working under Hyper-V. > Since i wouldnt like the one thing i learn to be: this cant be done, id > like to ask if anyone had succes getting it run with MS virtualization? > > Sandor Nagy > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Does Plan 9 work under Microsoft's Hyper-V? 2008-08-27 12:17 ` Eris Discordia @ 2008-08-27 12:33 ` Robert Raschke 2008-08-27 13:16 ` erik quanstrom ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Robert Raschke @ 2008-08-27 12:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Eris Discordia <eris.discordia@gmail.com> wrote: > I tried running Plan 9 4e on Microsoft Virtual PC (v6.0.156.0, both 32- and > 64-bit versions). It wouldn't work due to a strange problem with (virtual) > disk I/O. Virtual Server 2005 uses similar technology so I think it would > fail, too. Though, I didn't exactly give it a try. Hardware virtualization > often creates more problems that software, right? The "run from cd" booted up just fine in MS Virtual Server 2005. I never got round to installing it fully though. If I remember correctly, I started an install once, but had to turn off disk dma and then the formatting of a small venti (~3-4GB) took more than two hours, so I aborted. Got a "faster" machine now, so maybe I'll try that again. Robby ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Does Plan 9 work under Microsoft's Hyper-V? 2008-08-27 12:33 ` Robert Raschke @ 2008-08-27 13:16 ` erik quanstrom 2008-08-27 13:34 ` Robert Raschke 2008-08-28 10:17 ` Eris Discordia [not found] ` <E2EFB4F11D20F77344110510@172.16.10.144> 2 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: erik quanstrom @ 2008-08-27 13:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: rtrlists, 9fans > The "run from cd" booted up just fine in MS Virtual Server 2005. I > never got round to installing it fully though. If I remember > correctly, I started an install once, but had to turn off disk dma and > then the formatting of a small venti (~3-4GB) took more than two > hours, so I aborted. Got a "faster" machine now, so maybe I'll try > that again. > i didn't think that dma was the default. if it is, i would think that this would cause more problems than it would solve. slow is better than not working at all. - erik ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Does Plan 9 work under Microsoft's Hyper-V? 2008-08-27 13:16 ` erik quanstrom @ 2008-08-27 13:34 ` Robert Raschke 0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Robert Raschke @ 2008-08-27 13:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: erik quanstrom; +Cc: 9fans On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 2:16 PM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@coraid.com> wrote: >> The "run from cd" booted up just fine in MS Virtual Server 2005. I >> never got round to installing it fully though. If I remember >> correctly, I started an install once, but had to turn off disk dma and >> then the formatting of a small venti (~3-4GB) took more than two >> hours, so I aborted. Got a "faster" machine now, so maybe I'll try >> that again. >> > > i didn't think that dma was the default. if it is, i would > think that this would cause more problems than it would > solve. slow is better than not working at all. Running another install into MSVirtualServer R2 SP1 just now with an old iso had lying around (20070329) and I misremembered. Disk dma had to be on, otherwise you get lots of i/o errors. It is the copydist that takes forever. I'll post back once I got it all up. I may try it with the latest iso as well. Robby ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Does Plan 9 work under Microsoft's Hyper-V? 2008-08-27 12:33 ` Robert Raschke 2008-08-27 13:16 ` erik quanstrom @ 2008-08-28 10:17 ` Eris Discordia [not found] ` <E2EFB4F11D20F77344110510@172.16.10.144> 2 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Eris Discordia @ 2008-08-28 10:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs It will eventually install but won't get past a specific step after the installed system is booted. I asked about the problem on 9fans. No solutions... yet. Here's the thread: http://9fans.net/archive/2008/01/547 --On Wednesday, August 27, 2008 1:33 PM +0100 Robert Raschke <rtrlists@googlemail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Eris Discordia > <eris.discordia@gmail.com> wrote: >> I tried running Plan 9 4e on Microsoft Virtual PC (v6.0.156.0, both 32- >> and 64-bit versions). It wouldn't work due to a strange problem with >> (virtual) disk I/O. Virtual Server 2005 uses similar technology so I >> think it would fail, too. Though, I didn't exactly give it a try. >> Hardware virtualization often creates more problems that software, right? > > The "run from cd" booted up just fine in MS Virtual Server 2005. I > never got round to installing it fully though. If I remember > correctly, I started an install once, but had to turn off disk dma and > then the formatting of a small venti (~3-4GB) took more than two > hours, so I aborted. Got a "faster" machine now, so maybe I'll try > that again. > > Robby > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
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* Re: [9fans] Does Plan 9 work under Microsoft's Hyper-V? [not found] ` <E2EFB4F11D20F77344110510@172.16.10.144> @ 2008-08-29 8:21 ` Robert Raschke 2008-08-29 13:47 ` Eris Discordia 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Robert Raschke @ 2008-08-29 8:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Eris Discordia <eris.discordia@gmail.com> wrote: > It will eventually install but won't get past a specific step after the > installed system is booted. I asked about the problem on 9fans. No > solutions... yet. > > Here's the thread: http://9fans.net/archive/2008/01/547 With the iso I downloaded this week, I also get the issue that Eris points out. Eris, if you want to give last years iso a try (20070329, it works perfectly on MS Virtual Server R2 SP1), give me a shout and I'll put it somewhere you can download it. Robby ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Does Plan 9 work under Microsoft's Hyper-V? 2008-08-29 8:21 ` Robert Raschke @ 2008-08-29 13:47 ` Eris Discordia 2008-08-29 17:08 ` David Leimbach 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Eris Discordia @ 2008-08-29 13:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > Eris, if you want to give last years iso a try (20070329, it works > perfectly on MS Virtual Server R2 SP1), give me a shout and I'll put > it somewhere you can download it. Many thanks for the offer, but I just don't have access to the required bandwidth. I had downloaded the first ISO image at a facility with a broadband connection. That luxury is currently out of question for me. Anyhow, I had gotten Plan 9 running on QEMU until I gave up and just purged the whole thing. Microsoft Virtual PC has so far been fine for running FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE, NetBSD v3.0.1, SuSE Linux v9 and v10, Slackware Linux v10.1, PC-DOS 5.0, and MS-DOS 6.22. So I guess Plan 9 is expecting something out of the ordinary, or simply being too pedantic. --On Friday, August 29, 2008 9:21 AM +0100 Robert Raschke <rtrlists@googlemail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Eris Discordia > <eris.discordia@gmail.com> wrote: >> It will eventually install but won't get past a specific step after the >> installed system is booted. I asked about the problem on 9fans. No >> solutions... yet. >> >> Here's the thread: http://9fans.net/archive/2008/01/547 > > With the iso I downloaded this week, I also get the issue that Eris > points out. > > Eris, if you want to give last years iso a try (20070329, it works > perfectly on MS Virtual Server R2 SP1), give me a shout and I'll put > it somewhere you can download it. > > Robby > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Does Plan 9 work under Microsoft's Hyper-V? 2008-08-29 13:47 ` Eris Discordia @ 2008-08-29 17:08 ` David Leimbach 0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: David Leimbach @ 2008-08-29 17:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2976 bytes --] On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 6:47 AM, Eris Discordia <eris.discordia@gmail.com>wrote: > Eris, if you want to give last years iso a try (20070329, it works >> perfectly on MS Virtual Server R2 SP1), give me a shout and I'll put >> it somewhere you can download it. >> > > Many thanks for the offer, but I just don't have access to the required > bandwidth. I had downloaded the first ISO image at a facility with a > broadband connection. That luxury is currently out of question for me. > Anyhow, I had gotten Plan 9 running on QEMU until I gave up and just purged > the whole thing. > > Microsoft Virtual PC has so far been fine for running FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE, > NetBSD v3.0.1, SuSE Linux v9 and v10, Slackware Linux v10.1, PC-DOS 5.0, and > MS-DOS 6.22. So I guess Plan 9 is expecting something out of the ordinary, > or simply being too pedantic. That's one way to look at it, or you can just realize that emulators/virtualization *aren't* the same as real hardware. Real PC hardware is a pain to emulate, because it's not rigidly specified enough. As a result of this, we know people bother to test things like Virtual PC running FreeBSD and Linux as well as DOS, and then complain to Microsoft when it doesn't work. Since more of their customers have a use for DOS or FreeBSD or Linux, Microsoft is probably more inclined to fix their Virtualization for them. I'm afraid Plan 9 doesn't have a market share that's interesting to these companies to fix their virtualization so that all OSes work. Better is the enemy of good enough after all, and who cares if some obscure OS doesn't work on their virtualization platform. All they have to do is make the ones people are more likely to pay support to use work. So while I tend to agree with you that it will likely fall on the Plan 9 community to make this work with Virtual PC, if we choose to care to do so, I wouldn't say it's because Plan 9 is expecting anything out of the ordinary (It works on my PC, the virtualization is the non-ordinary piece). It might be true that it's being too pedantic for that virtualization package.... It's not a matter of blame though, the two pieces just aren't compatible. Dave > > > --On Friday, August 29, 2008 9:21 AM +0100 Robert Raschke < > rtrlists@googlemail.com> wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Eris Discordia >> <eris.discordia@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> It will eventually install but won't get past a specific step after the >>> installed system is booted. I asked about the problem on 9fans. No >>> solutions... yet. >>> >>> Here's the thread: http://9fans.net/archive/2008/01/547 >>> >> >> With the iso I downloaded this week, I also get the issue that Eris >> points out. >> >> Eris, if you want to give last years iso a try (20070329, it works >> perfectly on MS Virtual Server R2 SP1), give me a shout and I'll put >> it somewhere you can download it. >> >> Robby >> >> > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 4236 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
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