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Anonymous AWK Fan, I believe you=E2=80=99re under a misapprehension about how copyrights and s= ource ownership work. You=E2=80=99re asking for solutions to problem that = don=E2=80=99t exist. Take the BCM code RM contributed to Plan 9, for insta= nce. Such contributions are considered a =E2=80=9Cgift=E2=80=9D to the lar= ger body of source code (hence the dir name =E2=80=9Ccontrib=E2=80=9D). Wh= en ownership of the larger body of code changes, so too does the ownership = of the contributed (or gifted) code. RM did not need to further comment on= the licensing agreement. Please trust the P9 foundation and its attorneys until your own attorney ar= ticulates a reason for concern. I=E2=80=99m not affiliated with the P9 foundation, just a very interested n= ewcomer to the community and really don=E2=80=99t want to see this new foun= d momentum mired down in nonsensical legal discussions. Please. 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On Mar 31, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Anonymous AWK fan via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote:
=
<= blockquote class=3D"" type=3D"cite">Instead of cluttering the mailing list,= can you go
through the list of applied patches, track down= the
authors, mail them off list about whether they haveobjections to having their code relicensed, and
forward their responses in one batch?

It appears many patches were submitted anonymously, so that'= ;s not possible.

=
Anonymous AWK Fan,

I belie= ve you’re under a misapprehension about how copyrights and source own= ership work.  You’re asking for solutions to problem that don&rs= quo;t exist.  Take the BCM code RM contributed to Plan 9, for instance= .  Such contributions are considered a “gift” to the large= r body of source code (hence the dir name “contrib”).  Whe= n ownership of the larger body of code changes, so too does the ownership o= f the contributed (or gifted) code.  RM did not = ;need to further comment on the licensing agreement.

Please trust the P9 foundation and its attorneys until your= own attorney articulates a reason for concern.

=
I’m not affiliated with the P9 foundation, just a very int= erested newcomer to the community and really don’t want to see this n= ew found momentum mired down in nonsensical legal discussions.  Please= .

Just my $0.02.

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