From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <200407271636.10948.boris.maroshev@itcollege.ee> References: <755cce86156cfbde0dee14b5470d0ba5@quintile.net> <200407271636.10948.boris.maroshev@itcollege.ee> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Justin Herald Subject: Re: [9fans] (no subject) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:23:46 -0400 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Topicbox-Message-UUID: ce34539c-eacd-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 I would agree that most of the true power comes from it's distributed=20 nature and developing on top of that and supporting new hardware should=20= be the top priority. On the other hand, if we want to get p9 out there=20= and more in the spotlight, there need to be some more common=20 applications for it that SysAdmins and developers are familiar with to=20= get them intrigued in the OS and it's potential On Jul 27, 2004, at 9:36 AM, Boris Maryshev wrote: > On Tuesday 27 July 2004 13:54, Steve Simon wrote: >>> I think because this is Plan 9 fans list, not Linux mailing list? = =E2=98=BA > What's collaboration in Plan 9 way, then? Bashing Linux all together? >> >> Aw, no fair. >> >> I was disturbed by David and Russ leaving the labs, and I am >> worried that the 9fans community is losing momentum - perhaps >> there are many great projects under way but I don't hear of them. > They pop-up here from time-to-time. It's just that they pop-up only=20 > here... >> >> It has been said before, the limited of support plan9 gets >> in the world is partly due to its steep learning curve, and >> partly the lack of "standard" applications. > Like what application? >> >> Writing a web browser difficult, we all agree, however editing the >> wiki to make it more up to date, accurate and helpfull is easy >> (and yes I have been). > Maybe writing a web browser, or office suite or anything like this is=20= > not the > interesting area to work on with Plan 9? Maybe it'd be more=20 > interesting to > study Plan 9's distributed nature and invent new things on top of it?=20= > What > about putting httpd working in a 9grid and distributing load between=20= > nodes, > which might be located worldwide (Akamai would be happy...)? >> >> -Steve > I wouldn't say "steep learning curve" either. It was made following=20 > KISS > principle, remember? I'd say, that the hurdle comes when you try to=20 > make it > work on an unsupported hardware and fail. So what we need are not > "applications", but better support for hardware. And new ideas=20 > exploiting > Plan 9's philosophy. > > boris > --=20 > But in our enthusiasm, we could not resist a radical overhaul of the > system, in which all of its major weaknesses have been exposed, > analyzed, and replaced with new weaknesses. > -- Bruce Leverett, > "Register Allocation in Optimizing Compilers" >