[9fans] Why should I invest[tigate] plan9?

[9fans] Why should I invest[tigate] plan9?

[Unknown]

My route here was: when my ISP said I'd have to buy W95, because Win3 
wasn't good enough any more, I said screw-you and found linux and ETHO 
[the single fd0, full OS & inet suite].

After using ETHO for some years, all other OSs felt like tying your shoe-
laces wearing boxing-gloves. 

When ETHO was ported to linux, the ability to access the *nix & FAT FSs
plus the superior *nix inet facilities and *.pdf & *.doc viewers allowed
use of ETHO's superior text editing facilities, with the ability to eg.
see *.pdf on the same screen. What can you do when documents which should 
be published in plain text are in *pdf & *.doc ?!

Because ETHO's VNC is too clunky and <running *nix jobs via ETHO, by 
cycling through clipboard-files is tedious> I found acme->plan9->wily, 
which had ETHO's superior mouse-based editor [near copy] and could run
*nix commands directly.

Since plan9 had admitted to copying ETHO, I knew it was GOOD STUFF.
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I've long realised that the naive/wrong view of computing is app-centered,
eg. the monster-browser, that does-every-thing. Whereas the correct/
extendable view is data-centered. Which implies file-directory-centered.
I used to think of *MY* file heirarchy; but plan9 is 'higher'/better in 
viewing the global data-heirarchy. [OTOH relying on clouds will bring 
more disaster than the recent global economic collapse, and what about 
google enslaving humanity: can YOU survive without google?]

The other powerfull notion [apart from data/file centered] which allows 
openess/extention is <menus>, which facilitiate the capture and access of 
knowledge of what-we've-already-learned-and-paid-for, is used in ETHO.

I suspect that Wirth got all these ideas from his time at PARC?
They aren't spelled out, but with long usage, you can read-between the 
lines. OTOH, I appreciate the writings of the originators of *nix, who've 
apparently gone on to create plan9, who explicitly spell out the 
underlying <principles of the *nix way of doing it>.

Recently I've tested the RaspberyPi hardware and was very impressed.

Is it realistic to use the Rpi as a stepping stone to plan9?
If so, how should I proceed [my main activity is collecting text from the 
inet, to read and merge/manipulate and store, for later reference]?

== TIA.

Re: [9fans] Why should I invest[tigate] plan9?

[Kurt H Maier]

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:13:28AM +0000, Unknown wrote:
> My route here was: when my ISP said I'd have to buy W95, because Win3
> wasn't good enough any more, I said screw-you and found linux and ETHO
> [the single fd0, full OS & inet suite].

Let me start out by saying I love this message.  I thought fakeposting
had died, but clearly there are still some practitioners out there.
Here are a few hints:

- Nobody's ISP tells them what OS to run, even back in 1995.  This
excessive detail deprives your message of the credibility it deserves.

- dog@gmail.com is not valid -- gmail requires at least six characters
in the username field; you had to know someone would notice this.  Next
time, register a better throwaway address.  Mailinator has lots of
legit-sounding domains to choose from.

- The message seems to have shot its whole magazine in the first
engagement.  Spread it out over a few more messages, so people get
engaged in the discussion before they realize it's a fakepost.

Don't get discouraged!  This is good work, and with practice, you'll be
tearing up mailing lists for years to come.

Thanks,
Kurt

Re: [9fans] Why should I invest[tigate] plan9?

[dexen deVries]

On Monday 28 of January 2013 09:24:37 Kurt H Maier wrote:
> Let me start out by saying I love this message.  I thought fakeposting
> had died, but clearly there are still some practitioners out there.
> Here are a few hints:
> 
> - Nobody's ISP tells them what OS to run, even back in 1995.  This
> excessive detail deprives your message of the credibility it deserves.


8<8<8< boring rant 8<8<8<

my isp -- a local venture in poland -- did around 2008.

they request we use ms windows on the router/gateway machine, instead of `some 
strange os' -- linux. otherwise they won't take responsibility for the 
downtime we were having.  turned out, they forgot to whitelist our MAC 
address.

but hey -- it worked with their technician's ms windows notebook.

8<8<8< boring rant 8<8<8<


-- 
dexen deVries

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``One disadvantage of the Univac system is that it does not use Unix, a 
recently developed program which translates from one computer language to 
another and has a built-in editing system which identifies errors in the 
original program.'' - student newspaper

Re: [9fans] Why should I invest[tigate] plan9?

[Federico G. Benavento]

I thought it was an MVS reincarnation…

On Jan 28, 2013, at 11:24 AM, Kurt H Maier <khm-9@intma.in> wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:13:28AM +0000, Unknown wrote:
>> My route here was: when my ISP said I'd have to buy W95, because Win3 
>> wasn't good enough any more, I said screw-you and found linux and ETHO 
>> [the single fd0, full OS & inet suite].
> 
> Let me start out by saying I love this message.  I thought fakeposting
> had died, but clearly there are still some practitioners out there.
> Here are a few hints:
> 
> - Nobody's ISP tells them what OS to run, even back in 1995.  This
> excessive detail deprives your message of the credibility it deserves.
> 
> - dog@gmail.com is not valid -- gmail requires at least six characters
> in the username field; you had to know someone would notice this.  Next
> time, register a better throwaway address.  Mailinator has lots of
> legit-sounding domains to choose from.
> 
> - The message seems to have shot its whole magazine in the first
> engagement.  Spread it out over a few more messages, so people get
> engaged in the discussion before they realize it's a fakepost.
> 
> Don't get discouraged!  This is good work, and with practice, you'll be
> tearing up mailing lists for years to come.
> 
> Thanks,
> Kurt
> 

---
Federico G. Benavento
benavento@gmail.com

Re: [9fans] Why should I invest[tigate] plan9?

[Bruce Ellis]

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I resemble that comment!


On 29 January 2013 02:12, Federico G. Benavento <benavento@gmail.com> wrote:

> I thought it was an MVS reincarnation…
>
> On Jan 28, 2013, at 11:24 AM, Kurt H Maier <khm-9@intma.in> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:13:28AM +0000, Unknown wrote:
> >> My route here was: when my ISP said I'd have to buy W95, because Win3
> >> wasn't good enough any more, I said screw-you and found linux and ETHO
> >> [the single fd0, full OS & inet suite].
> >
> > Let me start out by saying I love this message.  I thought fakeposting
> > had died, but clearly there are still some practitioners out there.
> > Here are a few hints:
> >
> > - Nobody's ISP tells them what OS to run, even back in 1995.  This
> > excessive detail deprives your message of the credibility it deserves.
> >
> > - dog@gmail.com is not valid -- gmail requires at least six characters
> > in the username field; you had to know someone would notice this.  Next
> > time, register a better throwaway address.  Mailinator has lots of
> > legit-sounding domains to choose from.
> >
> > - The message seems to have shot its whole magazine in the first
> > engagement.  Spread it out over a few more messages, so people get
> > engaged in the discussion before they realize it's a fakepost.
> >
> > Don't get discouraged!  This is good work, and with practice, you'll be
> > tearing up mailing lists for years to come.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kurt
> >
>
> ---
> Federico G. Benavento
> benavento@gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>


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