From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-Id: From: Patrick Kelly To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: <4BB0FF85.90008@magma.com.ni> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 18:35:11 -0400 References: <20100325114948.GA7249@polynum.com> <31C84C15-2EE3-46CA-BE9F-48F20886ADF7@fastmail.fm> <202b36ec0f14adf4b09e53052147ccc8@brasstown.quanstro.net> <11721B64-8041-4D96-94E3-49472F941C38@fastmail.fm> <32d987d51003281236m7a890b0dkaf4de23191fa3d47@mail.gmail.com> <8AB033EC-13D4-4BD3-A70F-B9CE7D724238@fastmail.fm> <2653D5E1-ADDE-4351-8DE1-896D490DED68@fastmail.fm> <000b01cacf1f$3d25e570$b771b050$@com> <1E47E1C7-F15B-4295-9B7F-F1CFA96508AB@fastmail.fm> <000c01cacf39$729037a0$57b0a6e0$@com> <4BB0FF85.90008@magma.com.ni> Subject: Re: [9fans] Man pages for add-ons Topicbox-Message-UUID: f804c992-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Mar 29, 2010, at 3:29 PM, Georg Lehner wrote: > Patrick Kelly wrote: >> [..] In my opinion, package managers are only a solution for =20 >> systems that are >> already a mess. I've said it before, I downright hate Windows, but =20= >> it gets >> by just fine without a package manager; Just install and uninstall >> 'scripts'. Those scripts wouldn't even need to be necessary on Plan =20= >> 9, or >> any system that doesn't maliciously abuse a central configuration =20 >> system. [..] > As a MS-Windows end user one gets inevitably to know that a =20 > 'Windows Installer' > is required to install new Software and that there are some rules =20 > all well > behaved "packages" abide, since an installed application is made =20 > visible > in the start menu and uninstallable via the control panel. There is =20= > more to > Windows 'package managment' then 'scripts' - there are rules, =20 > conventions. Which tend to be ignored, after all the registry might be abused at a =20= higher rate than some illegal drugs. At any rate, the installer does =20 little more than extract the files, possibly add some registry keys, =20 and create an uninstaller. Certain, although few, programs also add a =20= line to %PATH%. I've seem less sane management systems. Security is still to be desired though, on the bright side, =20 Singularity had some nice sides, and "Midori" could be promising if =20 Balmer... never mind. > It seems to me, that a few more scripts, conventions and rules for =20 > system, contrib > and third-party applications will ease setting up and administering =20= > Plan9 systems. A few scripts, should they be deemed necessary, might not be a bad =20 idea. Only assuming they are actually deemed necessary. As of right =20 now, I'm not aware of anything that complex, may be someone else is. > I am very greatful to Federico G. Benavento for implementing contrib =20= > and really > looking forward for Anthony Sorace's experience with third-party =20 > packages installed > in /opt in Inferno. > > This thread also has given some very good examples and insight on =20 > how the proven > Plan9'ers get their work done - thanks for the lessons learned. Yes, I might gather up all of the information and combine it in some =20 way for future reference for the negligent. Anyone who wishes to learn =20= about sane management could benefit from it as well. > The solution that feels 'right' will inevitable emerge and this =20 > thread has surely been a step > forward in the right direction. At least we discussed it. I feel confident that very little, if any, =20 changes need to be made to the existing system. > > Best Regards, > > Jorge-Le=F3n > >