* Re: [9fans] 802.11 Access Points
@ 2002-04-11 14:04 plan9
2002-04-11 13:44 ` Lucio De Re
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From: plan9 @ 2002-04-11 14:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
Wait,
2 years ago, I have been working on the Bluetooth 1.0b specifications and the only issue was the ability to get the right hardware components. I took a look at the recent linux open source implementations of the L2CAP and others BT stacks : that would be something to explore too...
"Lucio De Re" <lucio@proxima.alt.za> a crit dans le message news:<20020411114749.F12505@cackle.proxima.alt.za>...
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 12:26:30PM -0700, skipt@real.com wrote:
> >
> > I don't see the usefulness. It seems to me getting a Plan9/cpu running
> > with a wireless NIC would do the same thing. In this case you can run
> > ppp over /dev/eia and get a better interconnect with the PC device too
> > (rather than clunky terminal emulator business).
> >
> At $150 retail, it could be a very handy auth server, say. Nevermind
> access point with access control rules.
>
> Hm, I really ought to explore this myself.
>
> ++L
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* Re: [9fans] 802.11 Access Points
2002-04-11 14:04 [9fans] 802.11 Access Points plan9
@ 2002-04-11 13:44 ` Lucio De Re
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From: Lucio De Re @ 2002-04-11 13:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 09:04:13AM -0500, plan9@itic.ca wrote:
>
> 2 years ago, I have been working on the Bluetooth 1.0b specifications and the only issue was the ability to get the right hardware components. I took a look at the recent linux open source implementations of the L2CAP and others BT stacks : that would be something to explore too...
>
I understand that 802.11 is easily eavesdropped on, but I don't find
that as much of a showstopper as trying to track the alphabet soup of
proprietary and otherwise alternatives. I'm just thinking along the
lines of an RF equivalent of Cisoc's PIX, if such a thing makes any
sense.
Once the hardware has been tamed the Plan 9 way, its usefulness is
increased manifold. And it's cheap, even by South African standards.
++L
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* Re: [9fans] 802.11 Access Points
@ 2002-04-11 18:33 bwc
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From: bwc @ 2002-04-11 18:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> PIX functionnalities is another story : it as a proprietary and well tested IP stack.
> The PIX ios is a little bit <> from Cisco routers,
> anyway the problem is that Plan9 filtering has to be developped.
Just a word to keep things straight, the PIX didn't use anything from IOS;
it was a product before Cisco bought Network Translation. It really doesn't
have much of an IP stack. It really is a layer 2 thingy that `knows' about
the other layers.
The cli only looked like IOS, because that's what Cisco said they wanted.
I should have balked at that--it was a lot easier to use before.
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* Re: [9fans] 802.11 Access Points
@ 2002-04-11 17:03 plan9
2002-04-12 8:44 ` Matthew C Weigel
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From: plan9 @ 2002-04-11 17:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
You'r right,
The hardware platform is essential.
FYI, the minibrick that Bell Labs developped WAS about USD 50.
PIX functionnalities is another story : it as a proprietary and well tested IP stack. The PIX ios is a little bit <> from Cisco routers, anyway the problem is that Plan9 filtering has to be developped.
As a very good software example, www.lineo.com developped SecureEdge FireWall : Motorola 5307, microLinux, 2 eth, 8MB, 4MB flash, extremely small port of Linux firewalling apps. I don't say that it should be copyed, but it sounds good having a look at it. I have the CD sources if anyone cares.
"Lucio De Re" <lucio@proxima.alt.za> a crit dans le message news:<20020411154410.B14879@cackle.proxima.alt.za>...
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 09:04:13AM -0500, plan9@itic.ca wrote:
> >
> > 2 years ago, I have been working on the Bluetooth 1.0b specifications and the only issue was the ability to get the right hardware components. I took a look at the recent linux open source implementations of the L2CAP and others BT stacks : that would be something to explore too...
> >
> I understand that 802.11 is easily eavesdropped on, but I don't find
> that as much of a showstopper as trying to track the alphabet soup of
> proprietary and otherwise alternatives. I'm just thinking along the
> lines of an RF equivalent of Cisoc's PIX, if such a thing makes any
> sense.
>
> Once the hardware has been tamed the Plan 9 way, its usefulness is
> increased manifold. And it's cheap, even by South African standards.
>
> ++L
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* Re: [9fans] 802.11 Access Points
2002-04-11 17:03 plan9
@ 2002-04-12 8:44 ` Matthew C Weigel
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From: Matthew C Weigel @ 2002-04-12 8:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
<9fans@cse.psu.edu> wrote:
>As a very good software example, www.lineo.com developped SecureEdge =
>FireWall : Motorola 5307, microLinux, 2 eth, 8MB, 4MB flash, extremely =
>small port of Linux firewalling apps.
If you want 'easy' more than 'interesting,' Soekris makes a cute little
x86 embedded system. 486, up to 64M RAM, 3 network interfaces, one
mini-PCI and one regular PCI slot, CF slot that can boot, and a serial
port console.
One reseller of the thing even sells it with an Orinico mini-PCI card
and an external antenna.
http://www.soekris.com
http://www.embsd.org (they sell the Orinoco card; I'm not sure how easy
it is to get the mini-PCI version of the card otherwise).
It wouldn't provide much challenge in terms of porting Plan 9 to it
(except getting Plan 9 to use a serial console?), but it could provide
all the things being discussed.
--
Matthew Weigel
Research Systems Programmer
mcweigel+@cs.cmu.edu
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* [9fans] 802.11 Access Points
@ 2002-04-10 17:54 Lucio De Re
2002-04-10 19:26 ` skipt
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From: Lucio De Re @ 2002-04-10 17:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans mailing list
A friend suggested looking at
http://opensource.instant802.com/
and it does look like an interesting challenge for a Plan 9 (or
Inferno) appliance. Any takers? I'm financially crippled, so I'll
pass.
++L
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* Re: [9fans] 802.11 Access Points
2002-04-10 17:54 Lucio De Re
@ 2002-04-10 19:26 ` skipt
2002-04-11 9:47 ` Lucio De Re
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: skipt @ 2002-04-10 19:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
I don't see the usefulness. It seems to me getting a Plan9/cpu running
with a wireless NIC would do the same thing. In this case you can run
ppp over /dev/eia and get a better interconnect with the PC device too
(rather than clunky terminal emulator business).
At 07:54 PM 4/10/2002 +0200, Lucio De Re wrote:
>and it does look like an interesting challenge for a Plan 9 (or
>Inferno) appliance. Any takers? I'm financially crippled, so I'll
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* Re: [9fans] 802.11 Access Points
2002-04-10 19:26 ` skipt
@ 2002-04-11 9:47 ` Lucio De Re
0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Lucio De Re @ 2002-04-11 9:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 12:26:30PM -0700, skipt@real.com wrote:
>
> I don't see the usefulness. It seems to me getting a Plan9/cpu running
> with a wireless NIC would do the same thing. In this case you can run
> ppp over /dev/eia and get a better interconnect with the PC device too
> (rather than clunky terminal emulator business).
>
At $150 retail, it could be a very handy auth server, say. Nevermind
access point with access control rules.
Hm, I really ought to explore this myself.
++L
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