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From: Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] 9fs/9auth for FreeBSD
Date: Mon,  2 Apr 2001 06:23:01 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0104020604580.12034-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3AC4D947.54205AD6@arl.army.mil>



On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, Douglas A. Gwyn wrote:

> Alexander Viro wrote:
> > ... I'm not sure that it's the right thing to do, though.
>
> UNIX has always had files that have an innate append-only
> characteristic,
> although it didn't let you specify that a different kind of file should
> be treated as having that characteristic.  The UNIX behavior was that
> write to such a file succeeded, appending to the end of course, and
> seek attempts (to other than the end) would fail.  If some "modern"

Erm. There is a little problem with lseek() returning errors -
reading these files is perfectly sane thing. Pipes et.al. have
innate append-only characteristic, indeed, but append-only regular
files are different - think of that as enforcement (silent or
not - that's where the differences are) of O_APPEND.

> UNIX-like system wants to support user designation of files as having

<shrug> "modern" is a relative term - whether you want to consider
4.4BSD as such or not is a matter of taste, but behaviour in question goes
back at least to '93 (I don't have CVS logs at hand; most likely
the thing was added not just before the release, so s/93/early 90s/)

> an append-only characteristic, then files that have that characteristic
> innately ought to report that the corresponding flag is always set, and
> serve as the model for how I/O is performed.

IIRC, rationale for append-only _inode_ flag (not O_APPEND) was handling
of the logs and similar animals. That's definitely the most frequent
use of that thing. The only real question being: what's better -
complaining about echo foo > append_only_file or silently assuming that
>> was implied.



  reply	other threads:[~2001-04-02 10:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-03-28 21:50 Russ Cox
2001-03-28 21:58 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2001-03-28 22:23   ` Alexander Viro
2001-03-28 22:28     ` Alexander Viro
2001-03-28 22:56       ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2001-03-28 23:30         ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2001-03-28 23:35         ` Alexander Viro
2001-03-28 23:44           ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2001-03-29  0:20             ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-02  8:48       ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2001-04-02 10:04         ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-02 12:58           ` Boyd Roberts
2001-03-28 22:22 ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-02  8:49   ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2001-04-02 10:23     ` Alexander Viro [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-04-02  9:28 Russ Cox
2001-03-28  3:46 Russ Cox
2001-03-28 19:26 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2001-03-28 19:35   ` Alexander Viro
2001-03-28 19:48     ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2001-03-29  8:27   ` Boyd Roberts
2001-03-27 23:53 Lyndon Nerenberg
2001-03-28  0:32 ` Christopher Nielsen
2001-03-28 19:32   ` Lyndon Nerenberg

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