From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jim Choate To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Cc: , In-Reply-To: <20030620161513.Z2250@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] Re: The new ridiculous license Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:44:09 -0500 Topicbox-Message-UUID: d32136d8-eacb-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 On Fri, 20 Jun 2003, Lucio De Re wrote: > Maybe I was too obscure. My point is that it's Lucent that needs > "protecting" because they are an easy target, as mentioned here. Why is Lucent an easy target if their license is strong in the warranty and expectations department backed up by law? > The idea would be to "donate" the code to a foundation with the > certainty that the donor would no longer be held responsible for > any further use of the code whatsoever. Nothing about protecting > the user, precisely. Ok, not 'obscure' but rather 'obfuscatory' or 'byzantine' perhaps. Over complicated, instead of dealing with the issue it shifts it to another third party. Same sort of logical error as 'panspermia' as the answer to 'where did life come from'. If the courts recognize the concept of 'no warranty' and the general GPL fair use intent then there is nothing to worry about. The major unknown factor in this argument is that the GPL has never been tested in court. The major unknown with business is the 'what if' and until the GPL has been sullied in the mud a few times it will always be a skittish herd. Lucent is motivated by basic self preservation, unfortunately they find themselves (like many business) stuck at the fork in the road. Unsure of which branch to take. The failure of modern relativism/pragmatism, no underlying principles deeper than 'it works'. That branch is a opportunity for new enterprises and efforts. > Show me the beef, mate! You've farted about this aplenty, but what > have you got to show for it? Tit for tat, mate. When would you like to connect your cluster to the H18 cluster? Rob and I happen to be doing a rebuild this afternoon. How many processors? What sort of 'user access' policy do you intend to apply? What sort of feed do you have (it needs to be 24/365 w/ at least one dedicated IP and the ability to operate servers)? What sort of filesystem resources? Any Linux, BSD, MS, Mac, etc. machines included? We're in particular looking for another node to support IRC as well as act as a secondary subscription point for the H18 mailing list (we're going to use the distributed mailing list system like the Cypherpunks use). I assume of course that you have your wireless AP ready to go? Specs and policies please? What country/state/city are you in? What's your URL/homepage for the members list? Any particular special projects or interests that you'd like to share? The offer is open to any of the rest of you folks. -- ____________________________________________________________________ We are all interested in the future for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. Criswell, "Plan 9 from Outer Space" ravage@ssz.com jchoate@open-forge.org www.ssz.com www.open-forge.org --------------------------------------------------------------------