From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jim Choate To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] 'wall' messages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 23:17:36 -0500 Topicbox-Message-UUID: 63e92806-eacc-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Jim Choate wrote: > > > You're position basically lets the user have free reign over something > > that isn't theirs. Yuck! > > how very, very wrong. if you want to be a dictator on your network you > surely won't get many users (how many does H18 have, exactly?). I'm not being a dictator at all. I'm simply ensuring that bootes who is responsible for the integrity of the system (which if compromised effects -all- users) can reach all users easily and in a -elegant- way (as in simple, easy to follow). Having to invoke several other programs and jump through hoops that can be accomplished by a simple extension is the wrong approach. Complicating the users environment is -never- a -good- thing, It's not supposed to be a IQ test, it's supposed to do the work for you. > in the real world, users are exactly the ones who pay for the hardware > you want to 'play god' on; sysadmins are only there to protect them from > each other. And the sys admin. Bottom line, it should be simple and consistent. A wo access to local resources for users is not unreasonable. I challenge you to specifically detail why this is being a dictator. Extreme claims require extreme evidence. -- -- God exists because mathematics is consistent, and the Devil exist because we can't prove it. Andre Weil, in H. Eves, Mathematical Circles Adieu ravage@ssz.com jchoate@open-forge.com www.ssz.com www.open-forge.com