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From: ron minnich <rminnich@lanl.gov>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] nice hardware for a cpu server
Date: Fri,  6 Feb 2004 13:42:22 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402061338370.14857-100000@maxroach.lanl.gov> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040206203632.GB9441@mithrandi.za.net>

On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, Tristan Seligmann wrote:

> ah, come on, it's not that hard to use xnest.

yes, but that is the whole point. To do this in X, you need xnest. to do
this in rio, you need ... well, rio.

This is the same kind of argument we used to have as Unix people with
non-Unix people. The VMS and VM and MPE and RSX and MCP guys could always
argue, shown something in Unix, that they could do the same thing in their
OS given time and effort. They never quite got that the whole point was
that you didn't need to do anything extra at all in Unix; it was the
system as a whole that mattered, not this or that feature. They focused on
the branches and missed the forest.

So now we see this or that handy thing in Plan 9 that you can, with
sufficient effort, replicate in a less convenient (certainly less elegant)
way in non-Plan 9 environments; that is not the point.

What goes around, goes around.

ron



  reply	other threads:[~2004-02-06 20:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-02-06 15:37 Caerwyn B Jones
2004-02-06 14:52 ` andrey mirtchovski
2004-02-06 16:47   ` Bruce Ellis
2004-02-06 20:29   ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-06 20:36     ` Tristan Seligmann
2004-02-06 20:42       ` ron minnich [this message]
2004-02-06 20:45         ` Tristan Seligmann
2004-02-06 21:05         ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-06 20:59       ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-06 22:33       ` Geoff Collyer
2004-02-06 22:58         ` ron minnich
2004-02-07  6:54         ` David Arnold
2004-02-07 10:39         ` Charles Forsyth
2004-02-07  4:19     ` rob pike, esq.
2004-02-07  4:45       ` Bruce Ellis
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-02-06 16:53 Caerwyn B Jones
2004-02-06 16:45 Caerwyn B Jones
2004-02-04 21:42 Caerwyn B Jones
2004-02-04 21:50 ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-03  4:20 YAMANASHI Takeshi
2004-02-03  2:20 YAMANASHI Takeshi
2004-02-03  1:46 ` andrey mirtchovski
2004-02-03 11:09   ` Charles Forsyth
2004-02-03  3:16 ` ron minnich
2004-02-03  4:18   ` Martin C.Atkins
2004-02-03  4:34     ` ron minnich
2004-02-03  4:57       ` Martin C.Atkins
2004-02-03  5:06         ` ron minnich
2004-02-03  6:35   ` Taj Khattra
2004-02-03  5:45     ` andrey mirtchovski
2004-02-03  9:45       ` Bruce Ellis
2004-02-03 15:38         ` C H Forsyth
2004-02-03 15:51       ` C H Forsyth
2004-02-04  3:53         ` Jack Johnson
2004-02-04 20:48           ` Bruce Ellis
2004-02-05  0:29           ` Charles Forsyth
2004-02-05  7:21             ` Jack Johnson
2004-02-06  1:08               ` Bruce Ellis
2004-02-06  1:23                 ` Charles Forsyth
2004-02-06  2:33                   ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-06  9:55                   ` Jeff Sickel
2004-02-06 21:08                     ` rog
2004-02-09 10:20                       ` Jeff Sickel
2004-02-06  4:40                 ` vdharani
2004-02-06  2:57                   ` Bruce Ellis
2004-02-06 14:31                     ` a
2004-02-06 20:26                       ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-06  9:55                 ` Caerwyn Jones
2004-02-06 13:31                   ` Bruce Ellis
2004-02-06 14:57                   ` a
2004-02-03 16:00       ` ron minnich
2004-02-03  3:49 ` Jack Johnson
2004-02-03  4:29   ` ron minnich
2004-02-03  4:45     ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-03  6:21   ` vdharani
2004-02-03  6:47     ` vdharani
2004-02-02 18:50 Matthias Teege
2004-02-02 23:01 ` vdharani
2004-02-02 21:10   ` Bruce Ellis
2004-02-03  0:27     ` vdharani
2004-02-02 23:30       ` Bruce Ellis
2004-02-02 23:05         ` andrey mirtchovski
2004-02-03  0:08           ` Bruce Ellis
2004-02-03  1:50     ` Charles Forsyth
2004-02-03  1:54       ` Charles Forsyth
2004-02-03  2:25         ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-03  3:06     ` ron minnich
2004-02-03  3:04   ` ron minnich
2004-02-04  2:12     ` vdharani
2004-02-04  4:01       ` Jack Johnson
2004-02-09 10:20   ` Tomas Heran
2004-02-09 10:45     ` boyd, rounin

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