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From: Geoffrey Avila <avlg@sdsc.edu>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:15:15 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0808201542010.22359@yakkul.sdsc.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1A65C224C4D988F3504822E7@computer>


Not (currently) a Plan 9 user, but I gotta chime in:

> It seems the security ascribed to disposable machines comes from that "user
> data" is stored on a different, presumably safer, machine in, for example,
> some sort of data warehouse at a data center. This isn't a new
> idea--actually, it's _very_ old--and it's not what happens in home (or
> personal) computing.

You're right; it isn't. Is that good or bad? What about in an office
environment? Same answer there?

>> Plan 9 respects that. Not trusting the hostowner is a waste of effort.
>
> Not with reliable biometric authentication, but that's out of scope here.
>

Way, way out of scope. Kinda like a fusion-powered terminal.

>
> Now, your home computer may be a true single user machine but you store
> _some_ authentication information on it anyway; those of yours, namely. Such
> machine is in that respect as vulnerable as a UNIX machine. It has to be
> _physically_ guarded. It's no more a "disposable" machine.

This is the argument I had for using Sunrays in public places at work.
Single user, and if they were ganked from the lobby one night, the theives
would only have a middling LCD monitor instead of a windows system with
cached credentials.

>
> This is classic. Complication is a sign of maturation.

...or incipient schizophrenia.

> by not maturing, by avoiding diversification. Before you get angry I must say
> that's my "personal" opinion. Nothing I'm going to "force" unto you. Nothing
> I _can_ force unto you.


Would that I could force you into not using double-quotes for emphasis!

-GBA




  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-08-20 23:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-08-20 21:46 Eris Discordia
2008-08-20 22:41 ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-08-20 22:54   ` [9fans] aquarela only uses /rc/bin/9fs? Benjamin Huntsman
2008-08-20 22:58     ` Steve Simon
2008-08-20 23:09       ` Benjamin Huntsman
2008-08-20 23:19         ` Steve Simon
2008-08-20 23:31           ` Benjamin Huntsman
2008-08-20 23:41           ` Benjamin Huntsman
2008-08-21 15:39       ` Benjamin Huntsman
2008-08-20 23:15 ` Geoffrey Avila [this message]
2008-08-21  7:42 ` [9fans] Using the Acme Editor Uriel
2008-08-21 10:58   ` erik quanstrom
2008-08-21 13:25     ` john
2008-08-21 13:31     ` David Leimbach
2008-08-21 16:59   ` Eris Discordia
2008-08-21 17:14     ` ron minnich
2008-08-21 10:36 ` erik quanstrom
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-08-24 17:13 Eris Discordia
2008-08-25  3:57 ` Michaelian Ennis
2008-08-24 16:52 Eris Discordia
2008-08-24  8:20 erik quanstrom
2008-08-21 17:36 Eris Discordia
2008-08-21 20:39 ` ron minnich
2008-08-21 22:11   ` Eris Discordia
2008-08-22  2:58     ` Federico G. Benavento
2008-08-22  6:13     ` Andrew Simmons
2008-08-22  9:41       ` hiro
2008-08-21 17:20 Eris Discordia
2008-08-21 16:39 Eris Discordia
2008-08-21 17:11 ` ron minnich
2008-08-21 18:29   ` hiro
2008-08-20 23:49 Eris Discordia
2008-08-20 13:01 Eris Discordia
2008-08-20 13:22 ` Sander van Dijk
2008-08-20 12:56 Eris Discordia
2008-08-20 18:08 ` sqweek
2008-08-20 18:58   ` erik quanstrom
2008-08-20 19:47     ` sqweek
2008-08-20 12:36 Eris Discordia
2008-08-20  9:44 Eris Discordia
2008-08-20  9:34 Eris Discordia
2008-08-20 11:56 ` Robert William Fuller
2008-08-20 12:25   ` Eris Discordia
2008-08-20  9:03 Eris Discordia
2008-08-20  8:33 Eris Discordia
2008-08-20  8:29 Eris Discordia
2008-08-20  8:04 Eris Discordia
2008-08-20  1:39 Eris Discordia
2008-08-20  2:08 ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-08-20  2:13 ` Iruata Souza
2008-08-20  8:08   ` Eris Discordia
2008-08-20  5:02 ` sqweek
2008-08-20  9:15   ` Eris Discordia
2008-08-20  9:44     ` Sander van Dijk
2008-08-20  9:53     ` sqweek
2008-08-20 10:12     ` matt
2008-08-20 12:27       ` Bruce Ellis
2008-08-20 16:23     ` Iruata Souza
2008-08-20  8:10 ` Steve Simon
2008-08-20  0:30 Eris Discordia
2008-08-20  3:34 ` geoff
2008-08-20  3:43   ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-08-20  3:48     ` Bruce Ellis
2008-08-20  8:42   ` Eris Discordia
2008-08-20  0:10 Eris Discordia
2008-08-20  2:29 ` a
2008-08-20  8:01 ` Steve Simon
2008-08-19 23:51 Eris Discordia
2008-08-20  0:30 ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-08-20  1:31 ` Iruata Souza
2008-08-20  1:43   ` Eris Discordia
2008-08-20  2:00     ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-08-20  7:03       ` Eris Discordia
2008-08-20  7:36         ` bb
2008-08-21  0:03     ` Dan Cross
2008-08-24  7:27 ` John Waters
2008-08-24 18:14   ` Eris Discordia
2008-08-25  5:43     ` John Waters
2008-08-19 22:00 Eris Discordia
2008-08-19 22:12 ` andrey mirtchovski
2008-08-19 23:14   ` Eris Discordia
2008-08-20  3:12   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-08-20  3:17     ` andrey mirtchovski
2008-08-20  8:31     ` Eris Discordia
2008-08-19 22:14 ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2008-08-19 22:26   ` Steve Simon
2008-08-19 23:27   ` Eris Discordia
2008-08-19 23:36     ` Jonathan Cast
2008-08-20  0:42       ` Eris Discordia
2008-08-20  2:08     ` a
2008-08-20  8:06       ` Eris Discordia
2008-08-20  3:26     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-08-20  3:31       ` Bruce Ellis
2008-08-20  8:41       ` Eris Discordia
2008-08-19 22:25 ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-08-19 22:31   ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-08-19 22:46     ` Federico G. Benavento
2008-08-20  0:31       ` Eris Discordia
2008-08-19 23:03     ` Benjamin Huntsman
2008-08-20  0:34       ` Eris Discordia
2008-08-20  0:58         ` Benjamin Huntsman
2008-08-19 22:34 ` erik quanstrom
2008-08-20  3:11 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-08-19 15:52 Wendell xe
2008-08-19 16:01 ` ron minnich
2008-08-19 16:11 ` erik quanstrom
2008-08-19 21:23   ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2008-08-19 16:31 ` Robert Raschke
2008-08-19 21:00   ` Steve Simon
2008-08-19 17:50 ` Ramon de Vera
2008-08-19 17:58 ` Russ Cox
2008-10-22 12:37   ` Rudolf Sykora
2008-10-23 18:26     ` Rudolf Sykora
2008-10-23 20:17       ` yy
2008-10-24 17:51     ` Russ Cox
2008-10-24 18:17       ` Rudolf Sykora
2009-04-05 16:19       ` Rudolf Sykora
2008-08-19 20:22 ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-08-19 21:24   ` Iruata Souza
2008-08-20  0:28     ` David Leimbach
2008-08-20  3:54 ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-08-20  3:56   ` Bruce Ellis
2008-08-20  8:48   ` Eris Discordia
2008-08-20  9:21     ` matt

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