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identity=mailfrom; envelope-from="khm@sciops.net"; helo=wopr.sciops.net; client-ip=216.126.196.60 Received: from wopr.sciops.net (wopr.sciops.net [216.126.196.60]) by tb-mx1.topicbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for <9fans@9fans.net>; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 19:32:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from khm@sciops.net) Received: from localhost (wopr.sciops.net [local]) by wopr.sciops.net (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPA id c6d24ab4 for <9fans@9fans.net>; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 16:32:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 16:32:32 -0700 To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] acme and sam - mouse suggestions? Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> References: <021ae931-7636-4ff6-a28c-18feb489c640@www.fastmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 5d4a83f4-aa38-11ec-94bf-a6df800b1d67 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UNDlmM2NjZWVhNzBkMmI2MS1NM2JjYTZkZDQ0NjQ5ZmIyN2RmYjk1?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmM3Pg==?= From: "Kurt H Maier via 9fans" <9fans@9fans.net> List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M3bca6dd44649fb27dfb95fc7:1:O6hF1WzIFUOqH6etpdxhSUpTVU4XgV2CUK3V3oYwGjM On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 11:09:24PM +0000, Stuart Morrow wrote: > On 01/02/2022, Ben Hancock wrote: > > as well but have yet to become adept at the trackpoint. Do you find > > you're able to sweep lines as easily using it in acme as with a physical > > mouse? >=20 > A trackpoint isn't a real three-button mouse by Acme's standards. "A > real three-button mouse" is something that supports one-to-one > finger-to-button. A trackpoint is a two-button mouse with an > additional scroll button. It's designed for Windows and OS/2. That scroll button nonsense is a function of the Windows driver. On all Thinkpads the buttons present as a normal three-button mouse, with left, middle, and right-click. Using a better operating system, or failing to install the Trackpoint drivers, leads to normal functionality.=20=20 This is also true of trackpoint-laden keyboards with the sole exception=20 of the Lenovo "ThinkPad Compact Keyboard with Trackpoint" family of USB/Bluetooth models, and thanks to aiju a firmware fix is available to repair some of those. > Plus, trackpoint users will often accidentally type 'u', which on Plan > 9 means you lose what's in your snarf buffer. I have never seen a trackpoint user accidentally type 'u', and this is coming from someone who has used trackpoints as their primary pointing device from the late 1990s until about six months ago. How exactly did you come to this conclusion? I wonder if this is unique to a particular model? I have at least one of every IBM, Lexmark, or Dolch produced trackpoint keyboard, and I'd love to try to reproduce. khm ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T49f3cceea70d2b61-M3bca6= dd44649fb27dfb95fc7 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription