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Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> References: <4FB3A3BB-1CFA-4BC7-9DC2-CC9138B8325C@gmail.com> <2ff4cb73-352f-44e1-844b-5bb6cc92e1fe@posixcafe.org> <04a0afc1-6440-47b3-957c-0071ad88b117@posixcafe.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 5fc8b304-12d1-11ef-b0b9-f92de51f2673 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UYWQzZGMwYzkzMDM5YTdkMi1NZTI5NjdjNGRmMTIxODA5MzRmZGUx?= =?UTF-8?B?MTgxPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Kurt H Maier via 9fans" <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:Me2967c4df12180934fde1181:1:NcufqhuROsv1xVdWVoab6ikO2hrBkHuSDXPmkSMQ1W4 On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 11:20:48AM -0400, Don Bailey wrote: > But please document them and provide rationale/evidence for their removal.=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 You've been on this list a while. You should remember therefore that=20=20= =20 Fossil was a *constant* topic of debate here for *years*. Specifically, people kept reporting that Fossil had beshit their data,=20=20 and other people deemed that a skill issue and insisted Fossil was fine. As bug fixes trickled out, Fossil continued to be fine, and people's=20=20= =20=20 data kept getting corrupted. Maybe Fossil is fixed now! Maybe it isn't! It's not worth finding out, and the situation was never helped=20=20 by the "there is no war in Ba Sing Se" crowd refusing to take bug reports -- and actively attacking bug reporters. =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 So, the backstory of Fossil on 9fans is what led to it getting deleted. Asking for 'evidence' is just more of the same gaslighting that happened on this very list. =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > How was the lack-of-stability tested? To what degree was it tested? etc. =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Not how it works. The burden of support is on the distributor. Part of forking software is, when it breaks, people come knocking on your=20 door/mailing list/ircnet complaining that "your" software ate their=20=20= =20=20=20 computer. We *knew* Fossil was unreliable, so continuing to ship it in that state was idiotic. Removing it was an act of self-defense and/or=20=20 housekeeping, depending on how militant you like your metaphors. =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Meanwhile, since the defossilization of 9front, Fossil itself continued to receive attention. It sounds like the sp9sss dropped the ball on=20=20= =20=20 coordinating some of that, but we are assured that Fossil is great now. The problem is: we were assured Fossil was great then, too, especially=20=20 when it wasn't. Therefore it is the burden of the Chamber of Fossil=20=20= =20=20 Fraternity Et Exuberance to prove that it is stable, and test it to such a degree that it's worth considering again. The rest of us are tired of driving in that circle. =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 You can even store it on our sources server, or put the code on our git9 repo host. We don't hate Fossil users. We just don't want to take=20=20= =20 responsibility for it. =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 khm ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tad3dc0c93039a7d2-Me2967= c4df12180934fde1181 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription