From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 17:43:56 -0400 Message-ID: From: s s To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300514a23ca67604aceda89e Subject: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1e7f4db2-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --20cf300514a23ca67604aceda89e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Is there an html version of the nemo book? http://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.pdf Want to read it as white text on a black background. - Leonard --20cf300514a23ca67604aceda89e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there an html version of the nemo book?

http://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.pdf

Want to read it= as white text on a black background.

=A0- Leonard

--20cf300514a23ca67604aceda89e-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 23:46:19 +0200 Message-ID: From: Francisco J Ballesteros To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1e85bdd2-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 IIRC there's a 9.txt.gz, not html, but raw text. On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:43 PM, s s wrote: > Is there an html version of the nemo book? > > http://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.pdf > > Want to read it as white text on a black background. > > =C2=A0- Leonard > > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 23:46:46 +0200 Message-ID: From: Francisco J Ballesteros To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1e8bc7b8-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Yes, http://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.txt.gz On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:46 PM, Francisco J Ballesteros w= rote: > IIRC there's a 9.txt.gz, not html, but raw text. > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:43 PM, s s wrote: >> Is there an html version of the nemo book? >> >> http://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.pdf >> >> Want to read it as white text on a black background. >> >> =C2=A0- Leonard >> >> > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 17:48:50 -0400 Message-ID: From: s s To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300fb201c7db4104acedb96f Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1ea62612-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --20cf300fb201c7db4104acedb96f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Francisco J Ballesteros wrote: > Yes, http://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.txt.gz > > Cheers. --20cf300fb201c7db4104acedb96f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Francisco J Ballesteros = <nemo@lsub.org> wrote:
Yes, http:/= /lsub.org/who/nemo/9.txt.gz


Cheers.

--20cf300fb201c7db4104acedb96f-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 23:50:00 +0200 Message-ID: From: hiro <23hiro@googlemail.com> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1eabe43a-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Or use xpdf -rv Although I use it for exactly the opposite purpose. On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 23:43, s s wrote: > Is there an html version of the nemo book? > > http://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.pdf > > Want to read it as white text on a black background. > > =C2=A0- Leonard > > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 17:52:20 -0400 Message-ID: From: s s To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300fb201460fed04acedc6ed Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1eb24370-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --20cf300fb201460fed04acedc6ed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Francisco J Ballesteros wrote: > Yes, http://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.txt.gz > > Wow is that better. Too bad there is no css for pdf. (Or is there?) Viewing the book now with Firefox/Stylish/Blackify. http://userstyles.org/styles/2154/blackify - Leonard --20cf300fb201460fed04acedc6ed Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Francisco J Ballesteros = <nemo@lsub.org> wrote:
Yes, http:/= /lsub.org/who/nemo/9.txt.gz


Wow is that better.

Too bad there is no cs= s for pdf.=A0 (Or is there?)

Viewing the book now with Firefox/Styli= sh/Blackify.

= http://userstyles.org/styles/2154/blackify

=A0- Leonard



=A0
--20cf300fb201460fed04acedc6ed-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 17:55:46 -0400 Message-ID: From: s s To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf303b431192734904acedd2de Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1ec45c04-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --20cf303b431192734904acedd2de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:50 PM, hiro <23hiro@googlemail.com> wrote: > Or use xpdf -rv > Although I use it for exactly the opposite purpose. > How come no one likes high-contrast-inverse themes? --20cf303b431192734904acedd2de Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:50 PM, hiro <23hiro@googlemail.com> wrote:
Or use xpdf -rv
Although I use it for exactly the opposite purpose.
How come no one likes high-contrast-inverse themes?

--20cf303b431192734904acedd2de-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:57:16 -0700 Message-ID: From: John Floren To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1edc5f3e-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 2:55 PM, s s wrote: > On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:50 PM, hiro <23hiro@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >> Or use xpdf -rv >> Although I use it for exactly the opposite purpose. > > How come no one likes high-contrast-inverse themes? > > Because we like our eyeballs. I think you're going to be pretty disappointed with the Plan 9 UIs, if you get around to booting it. John From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 17:58:17 -0400 Message-ID: From: s s To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300fb245913ac904aceddbd8 Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1ed6b23c-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --20cf300fb245913ac904aceddbd8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:50 PM, hiro <23hiro@googlemail.com> wrote: > Or use xpdf -rv > Although I use it for exactly the opposite purpose. > Somehow, plain text is much more enjoyable to read than pdf. --20cf300fb245913ac904aceddbd8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:50 PM, hiro <23hiro@googlem= ail.com> wrote:
Or use xpdf -rv
Although I use it for exactly the opposite purpose.
Somehow, plain text is much more enjoyable to read than pdf.
=A0
--20cf300fb245913ac904aceddbd8-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:13:15 -0400 Message-ID: From: L N To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300fb2450f911604acee11c4 Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1efca802-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --20cf300fb2450f911604acee11c4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:57 PM, John Floren wrote: > On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 2:55 PM, s s wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:50 PM, hiro <23hiro@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Or use xpdf -rv > >> Although I use it for exactly the opposite purpose. > > > > How come no one likes high-contrast-inverse themes? > > > > > > Because we like our eyeballs. I think you're going to be pretty > disappointed with the Plan 9 UIs, if you get around to booting it. > > > > John > Right now running Ubuntu, with openbox. GTK theme is Wii-black. Tried using wmii, but for some reason sound stopped working, so still using openbox. Downloaded p9p and go9p. Afraid to commit to booting native Plan-9 until I'm sure I can get openbox, firefox, and chromium-browser working on it. - Leonard --20cf300fb2450f911604acee11c4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:57 PM, John Floren <john@jfloren.net> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 2:55 PM, s s <= leonardnemoi@gmail.com> wr= ote:
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:50 PM, hiro <23hiro@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Or use xpdf -rv
>> Although I use it for exactly the opposite purpose.
>
> How come no one likes high-contrast-inverse themes?
>
>

Because we like our eyeballs. I think you're going to be pr= etty
disappointed with the Plan 9 UIs, if you get around to booting it.



John

Right now running Ubuntu, with openbox= .

GTK theme is Wii-black.
=A0
Tried using wmii, but fo= r some reason sound stopped working, so still using openbox.

Downloa= ded p9p and go9p.

Afraid to commit to booting native Plan-9 until I'm sure I can get = openbox, firefox, and chromium-browser working on it.

=A0- Leonard


--20cf300fb2450f911604acee11c4-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 15:17:00 -0700 Message-ID: From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1f063584-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 3:13 PM, L N wrote: > Afraid to commit to booting native Plan-9 until I'm sure I can get openbox, > firefox, and chromium-browser working on it. ah, now I see :-) http://www.clipartguide.com/_named_clipart_images/0511-0701-3117-1335_Skeleton_Behind_a_Business_Desk_clipart_image.jpg ron From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 00:27:40 +0200 Message-ID: From: hiro <23hiro@googlemail.com> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1f0e5e30-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 I want my monitor's brightness and color temperature to suit my ambient light. I'm used to black text on white paper and I don't want to see white squares behind black monitors. Perhaps the only reason I bother is because I'm sitting in front of pcs too long. On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 23:55, s s wrote: > On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:50 PM, hiro <23hiro@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >> Or use xpdf -rv >> Although I use it for exactly the opposite purpose. > > How come no one likes high-contrast-inverse themes? > > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:41:29 -0400 Message-ID: From: L N To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300514a2095ee204acee769b Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1faf22f2-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --20cf300514a2095ee204acee769b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > ah, now I see :-) > > http://www.clipartguide.com/_named_clipart_images/0511-0701-3117-1335_Skeleton_Behind_a_Business_Desk_clipart_image.jpg > > ron > Maybe. The web-browser really is a deal-breaker, though. I really enjoyed reading about Plan 9, first at plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/, and later at cat-v.org. As much as I like the design of Plan 9, I also like surfing the web. It would be nice to boot Plan 9 natively on AMD-64, type startx, and open a browser. Unfortunately, I'm not at a level where I can really contribute to getting Plan 9 to that point. I think the focus of the Plan 9 community should be just that. The goal should be a Plan 9 "distro" that runs natively on AMD-64, and can open a web-browser. With the announcement of NIX, maybe we are already at that point? http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/good_bad_ugly/slides/28 - Leonard --20cf300514a2095ee204acee769b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ah, now I see :-)
= http://www.clipartguide.com/_named_clipart_images/0511-0701-3117-1335_Skele= ton_Behind_a_Business_Desk_clipart_image.jpg

ron

Maybe.

The web-browser really is= a deal-breaker, though.

I really enjoyed reading about Plan 9, firs= t at plan9.bell-labs.com/sy= s/doc/, and later at cat-v.org.

As much as I like the design of Plan 9, I also like surfing the web.
It would be nice to boot Plan 9 natively on AMD-64, type startx, and o= pen a browser.

Unfortunately, I'm not at a level where I can rea= lly contribute to getting Plan 9 to that point.

I think the focus of the Plan 9 community should be just that.

T= he goal should be a Plan 9 "distro" that runs natively on AMD-64,= and can open a web-browser.

With the announcement of NIX, maybe we = are already at that point?

http= ://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/good_bad_ugly/slides/28

=A0- Leonard<= br>









--20cf300514a2095ee204acee769b-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 15:54:11 -0700 Message-ID: From: John Floren To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1fbcfa9e-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 3:41 PM, L N wrote: > >> ah, now I see :-) >> >> http://www.clipartguide.com/_named_clipart_images/0511-0701-3117-1335_Sk= eleton_Behind_a_Business_Desk_clipart_image.jpg >> >> ron > > Maybe. > > The web-browser really is a deal-breaker, though. > > I really enjoyed reading about Plan 9, first at > plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/, and later at cat-v.org. > > As much as I like the design of Plan 9, I also like surfing the web. > > It would be nice to boot Plan 9 natively on AMD-64, type startx, and open= a > browser. > > Unfortunately, I'm not at a level where I can really contribute to gettin= g > Plan 9 to that point. > > I think the focus of the Plan 9 community should be just that. > > The goal should be a Plan 9 "distro" that runs natively on AMD-64, and ca= n > open a web-browser. > > With the announcement of NIX, maybe we are already at that point? > > http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/good_bad_ugly/slides/28 > > =A0- Leonard I think you have seriously misapprehended many things about Plan 9. We don't have X. We are not Linux compatible, although there's a rather decent Linux emulator. There is no GTK, no Qt, no Firefox, no modern C++ compiler. I think it's time for people to stop telling the "Plan 9 community" what its goals should be, when these people haven't even booted Plan 9. John From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 01:14:35 +0200 Message-ID: From: Francisco J Ballesteros To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1fc998ee-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 The point is that you can run multiple operating systems, these days, even on the same machine at the same time. There's no need to use the same one for everything. On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 12:54 AM, John Floren wrote: > On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 3:41 PM, L N wrote: >> >>> ah, now I see :-) >>> >>> http://www.clipartguide.com/_named_clipart_images/0511-0701-3117-1335_S= keleton_Behind_a_Business_Desk_clipart_image.jpg >>> >>> ron >> >> Maybe. >> >> The web-browser really is a deal-breaker, though. >> >> I really enjoyed reading about Plan 9, first at >> plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/, and later at cat-v.org. >> >> As much as I like the design of Plan 9, I also like surfing the web. >> >> It would be nice to boot Plan 9 natively on AMD-64, type startx, and ope= n a >> browser. >> >> Unfortunately, I'm not at a level where I can really contribute to getti= ng >> Plan 9 to that point. >> >> I think the focus of the Plan 9 community should be just that. >> >> The goal should be a Plan 9 "distro" that runs natively on AMD-64, and c= an >> open a web-browser. >> >> With the announcement of NIX, maybe we are already at that point? >> >> http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/good_bad_ugly/slides/28 >> >> =C2=A0- Leonard > > =C2=A0I think you have seriously misapprehended many things about Plan 9. > We don't have X. We are not Linux compatible, although there's a > rather decent Linux emulator. There is no GTK, no Qt, no Firefox, no > modern C++ compiler. > > I think it's time for people to stop telling the "Plan 9 community" > what its goals should be, when these people haven't even booted Plan > 9. > > John > > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 19:19:08 -0400 Message-ID: From: L N To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300fb245b798b904aceefc55 Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1fcfca5c-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --20cf300fb245b798b904aceefc55 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > I think you have seriously misapprehended many things about Plan 9. > What am I misapprehending? > We don't have X. We are not Linux compatible, although there's a > rather decent Linux emulator. There is no GTK, no Qt, no Firefox, no > modern C++ compiler. > I don't need X, Linux compatibility, GTK, Qt, Firefox, or C++. I need an OS that runs a browser. I was using "startx" in the figurative sense. > > I think it's time for people to stop telling the "Plan 9 community" > what its goals should be, Are my-two-cents worth a negative amount? > when these people haven't even booted Plan > 9. > Why should I boot Plan 9, when I know I can't run a browser, and I already have p9p? John > - Leonard --20cf300fb245b798b904aceefc55 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=A0I think you have seriously misapprehended many things abou= t Plan 9.

What am I misapprehending?
=A0
We don't have X. We are not Linux compatible, although there's a rather decent Linux emulator. There is no GTK, no Qt, no Firefox, no
modern C++ compiler.

I don't need X, Linux com= patibility, GTK, Qt, Firefox, or C++.

I need an OS that runs a brows= er.

I was using "startx" in the figurative sense.
=A0

I think it's time for people to stop telling the "Plan 9 community= "
what its goals should be,

Are my-two-cents worth a neg= ative amount?
=A0
when these people haven't even booted Plan
9.

Why should I boo= t Plan 9, when I know I can't run a browser, and I already have p9p?=A0=

John

=A0- Leonard


=A0

--20cf300fb245b798b904aceefc55-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1244.3) From: Jeff Sickel In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:27:48 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9DB99A79-AA49-425A-9A56-C184044F5F6A@corpus-callosum.com> References: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1fe91124-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Sep 14, 2011, at 5:17 PM, ron minnich wrote: > On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 3:13 PM, L N wrote: >=20 >> Afraid to commit to booting native Plan-9 until I'm sure I can get = openbox, >> firefox, and chromium-browser working on it. >=20 > ah, now I see :-) > = http://www.clipartguide.com/_named_clipart_images/0511-0701-3117-1335_Skel= eton_Behind_a_Business_Desk_clipart_image.jpg >=20 > ron Nice pic. If I squint I can even see the remains of my soul being sucked out just above the cobwebs like they were on a prior job. -jas From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 01:30:14 +0200 Message-ID: From: hiro <23hiro@googlemail.com> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1ff5bbb8-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Plan 9 is an OS, p9p is less. If all you need from Plan 9 is in p9p no need to boot Plan 9. We have a browser, but not one with all the newest craze (no html5, js, flash, gl). From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 16:32:37 -0700 Message-ID: From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1ffc81b4-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:19 PM, L N wrote: > Why should I boot Plan 9, when I know I can't run a browser, and I already > have p9p? um, precisely. You should not. So use p9p. Let's get back to trying to figure out where the Ted Stevens quote is in the NIX source. thanks ron From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 16:33:07 -0700 Message-ID: From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 20053f34-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:30 PM, hiro <23hiro@googlemail.com> wrote: > Plan 9 is an OS, p9p is less. > If all you need from Plan 9 is in p9p no need to boot Plan 9. > We have a browser, but not one with all the newest craze (no html5, > js, flash, gl). > > Although for my money abaco is still really neat ... ron From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 16:43:33 -0700 Message-ID: From: Akshat Kumar To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 200bec58-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 abaco is free. :-) > Although for my money abaco is still really neat ... > > ron From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 16:43:38 -0700 Message-ID: From: Nick LaForge To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 201222e4-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Since you're on Ubuntu, why don't you start learning the ropes of the Plan 9 programming environment by compiling/running 9vx on Ubuntu and then hitting the papers? That way you can easily continue to use Mozilla and invest minimal time before being able to actually get something out of Plan 9 (you'll need to write some file servers as well as thoroughly appreciate the concurrency model). You'll find 9vx is also a great utility for more effectively using Linux. Inside 9vx, you should also see 'man 1 abaco' and decide if you really need Mozilla. Nick On 9/14/11, L N wrote: >> I think you have seriously misapprehended many things about Plan 9. >> > > What am I misapprehending? > > >> We don't have X. We are not Linux compatible, although there's a >> rather decent Linux emulator. There is no GTK, no Qt, no Firefox, no >> modern C++ compiler. >> > > I don't need X, Linux compatibility, GTK, Qt, Firefox, or C++. > > I need an OS that runs a browser. > > I was using "startx" in the figurative sense. > > >> >> I think it's time for people to stop telling the "Plan 9 community" >> what its goals should be, > > > Are my-two-cents worth a negative amount? > > >> when these people haven't even booted Plan >> 9. >> > > Why should I boot Plan 9, when I know I can't run a browser, and I already > have p9p? > > John >> > > - Leonard > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 01:45:46 +0200 Message-ID: From: hiro <23hiro@googlemail.com> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 201b925c-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 invest some time then. On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 01:43, Akshat Kumar wrote: > abaco is free. > > :-) > >> Although for my money abaco is still really neat ... >> >> ron > > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9DB99A79-AA49-425A-9A56-C184044F5F6A@corpus-callosum.com> References: <9DB99A79-AA49-425A-9A56-C184044F5F6A@corpus-callosum.com> From: Rob Pike Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 16:55:48 -0700 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 202a0896-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 this is still my favorite: http://gi52.photobucket.com/groups/g5/6DUVRHDUAT/typing.gif -rob From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:39:07 -0400 Message-ID: From: L N To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300514a2bb8e6404acf01a38 Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 203092ba-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --20cf300514a2bb8e6404acf01a38 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 7:33 PM, ron minnich wrote: > > > Although for my money abaco is still really neat ... > > ron > > I wonder if I can get abaco to display pages with a high-contrast-inverse theme. :] - Leonard --20cf300514a2bb8e6404acf01a38 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 7:33 PM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
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Although for my money abaco is still really neat ...

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I wonder if I can get abaco to display pages = with a high-contrast-inverse theme.=A0 :]

=A0- Leonard

--20cf300514a2bb8e6404acf01a38-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: dexen deVries To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 11:40:17 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.6 (Linux/3.1.0-rc5-l38+; KDE/4.5.5; x86_64; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <201109151140.17599.dexen.devries@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 207dd642-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Thursday 15 of September 2011 00:54:11 John Floren wrote: > (...) > I think you have seriously misapprehended many things about Plan 9. > We don't have X. We are not Linux compatible, although there's a > rather decent Linux emulator. There is no GTK, no Qt, no Firefox, no > modern C++ compiler. >=20 > I think it's time for people to stop telling the "Plan 9 community" > what its goals should be, when these people haven't even booted Plan > 9. I'm one of the `never even booted Plan 9' folks, and I agree with John 100%. Let Plan 9 do things the Plan 9 way, for better or worse. And let the real= =20 needs influence what gets implemented first and what later on. If there's=20 pressing need for /native/ full-blown browser, some of the likes of Abaco w= ill=20 be improved to that point. If Plan 9 tries hard to emulate Linux first and innovate second, it'll beco= me=20 stagnant and irrelevant. =2D-=20 dexen deVries [[[=E2=86=93][=E2=86=92]]] =46or example, if the first thing in the file is: an XML parser will recognize that the document is stored in the traditional= =20 ROT13 encoding. (( Joe English, http://www.flightlab.com/~joe/sgml/faq-not.txt )) From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 01:02:20 +0100 From: Ethan Grammatikidis To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: <20110916010220.5e3adb54@kolari.ethans.dre.am> In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 2264224a-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:41:29 -0400 L N wrote: > The goal should be a Plan 9 "distro" that runs natively on AMD-64, and can > open a web-browser. That "goal" is a target moving at approximately the speed of light. Specifically, the "open a web browser" part of it is. A virtualizer running on Plan 9 would waste far less time than implementing enough Linux syscalls to run a Linux distro new enough to run any browser newer than Opera 9. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20110916010220.5e3adb54@kolari.ethans.dre.am> References: <20110916010220.5e3adb54@kolari.ethans.dre.am> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 17:15:08 -0700 Message-ID: From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 2269cfba-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: > On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:41:29 -0400 > L N wrote: > >> The goal should be a Plan 9 "distro" that runs natively on AMD-64, and can >> open a web-browser. > > That "goal" is a target moving at approximately the speed of light. Specifically, the "open a web browser" part of it is. > > A virtualizer running on Plan 9 would waste far less time than implementing enough Linux syscalls to run a Linux distro new enough to run any browser newer than Opera 9. That's a very interesting point. Implementing lguest on Plan 9 would require something like 13 "system calls". Far easier than doing the near-400 system calls of linux correctly. ron From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: erik quanstrom Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:18:09 -0400 To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: <940ec929c601e9fa35de5cd7f8544f90@brasstown.quanstro.net> In-Reply-To: References: <20110916010220.5e3adb54@kolari.ethans.dre.am> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 22787efc-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > That's a very interesting point. Implementing lguest on Plan 9 would > require something like 13 "system calls". Far easier than doing the > near-400 system calls of linux correctly. i believe there's at least 2 and they're working on 3 abi for each system call. it's like FAR and HUGE pointers are back from the dead. - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 17:31:32 -0700 From: Lyndon Nerenberg To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20110916010220.5e3adb54@kolari.ethans.dre.am> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (OSX 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: [9fans] my kingdom for a web browser :-P Topicbox-Message-UUID: 227e7122-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Thu, 15 Sep 2011, ron minnich wrote: > wrote: >> A virtualizer running on Plan 9 would waste far less time than implementing enough Linux syscalls to run a Linux distro new enough to run any browser newer than Opera 9. > That's a very interesting point. Implementing lguest on Plan 9 would > require something like 13 "system calls". Far easier than doing the > near-400 system calls of linux correctly. But all of these 'solutions' mean running a foreign binary under some sort of emulation. None of these integrate with the native environment. I.e. I can't plumb a URL to Firefox running under the linuxulator. (Can I? If there's a way I can't find it.) And that being the case, how are these emulated browsers any different from cranking up vncv to an external host and running the browser there? (I fully expect Eric to leap in here and point out he has nothing other than Plan9 running :-) Anyone else?) While it's mildly annoying, I still manage quite well with vncv and Firefox running on a UNIX host. Said host has u9fs and mounts under /n on the Plan9 hosts, so it's not that difficult to save things and copy them into a permanent home on the file server. And it's trivial to code up an rc script that uses ssh to pass URLs to a remote browser instance. Wouldn't we be better off rewriting the Plan 9 kernel in Javascript? --lyndon From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20110916010220.5e3adb54@kolari.ethans.dre.am> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 17:41:52 -0700 Message-ID: From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [9fans] my kingdom for a web browser :-P Topicbox-Message-UUID: 22844b7e-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 But doing the lguest bit might be fun for someone. ron From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 17:53:09 -0700 From: Lyndon Nerenberg To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20110916010220.5e3adb54@kolari.ethans.dre.am> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (OSX 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [9fans] my kingdom for a web browser :-P Topicbox-Message-UUID: 2289e656-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > But doing the lguest bit might be fun for someone. No doubt, but please don't sully the idea of doing something for the sheer pleasure of learning with the idea that life without the web isn't worth living. (Wait, that just might have solved the problem ...) On a slightly related note, I did spend a bit of time poking around the W3C source code archives. If someone consumed enough mescaline there's a chance the core libraries could be ported, leading to a lynx-like native client. And a graphics-free browser is still a (mostly) viable option these days. I'm living on the boat right now, behind an insanely expensive 3G data stick, so I run Firefox with graphics turned off. I've only had to enable graphics for one site that simply won't function without its GIF buttons. I don't think there's any hope of getting away without Javascript anymore, though :-P --lyndon From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: erik quanstrom Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 21:21:15 -0400 To: lyndon@orthanc.ca, 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <20110916010220.5e3adb54@kolari.ethans.dre.am> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] my kingdom for a web browser :-P Topicbox-Message-UUID: 2297336a-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > and running the browser there? (I fully expect Eric to leap in here and > point out he has nothing other than Plan9 running :-) Anyone else?) i'm running a few embedded oses, too, and as of 5 minutes ago, nix. - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20110916010220.5e3adb54@kolari.ethans.dre.am> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 12:13:50 +1000 Message-ID: From: Bruce Ellis To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] my kingdom for a web browser :-P Topicbox-Message-UUID: 22a75dc6-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 If you can't run your holy grail (back off about badgers) - a web browser - and plan9 on the same cheap ass machine (or two if you insist on a native bunny) then I believe you can apply to the United Nations for Whining Remedial Sillyman Assistance - and get off my grass. brucee On 16 September 2011 11:21, erik quanstrom wrote: >> and running the browser there? =C2=A0(I fully expect Eric to leap in her= e and >> point out he has nothing other than Plan9 running :-) =C2=A0Anyone else?= ) > > i'm running a few embedded oses, too, and as of 5 minutes ago, nix. > > - erik > > --=20 Don't meddle in the mouth -- MVS (0416935147, +1-513-3BRUCEE) From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: lyndon@orthanc.ca (Lyndon Nerenberg) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 19:46:19 -0700 Subject: [9fans] my kingdom for a web browser :-P In-Reply-To: References: <20110916010220.5e3adb54@kolari.ethans.dre.am> Message-ID: Topicbox-Message-UUID: 22ea1670-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > If you can't run your holy grail (back off about badgers) - a web > browser What do you mean? The badgers are better conversationalists. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20110916010220.5e3adb54@kolari.ethans.dre.am> From: Jens Staal Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 05:46:31 +0200 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 22bc80ac-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 2011/9/16 ron minnich : > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis > wrote: >> On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:41:29 -0400 >> L N wrote: >> >>> The goal should be a Plan 9 "distro" that runs natively on AMD-64, and can >>> open a web-browser. >> >> That "goal" is a target moving at approximately the speed of light. Specifically, the "open a web browser" part of it is. >> >> A virtualizer running on Plan 9 would waste far less time than implementing enough Linux syscalls to run a Linux distro new enough to run any browser newer than Opera 9. > > That's a very interesting point. Implementing lguest on Plan 9 would > require something like 13 "system calls". Far easier than doing the > near-400 system calls of linux correctly. > > ron > > Just out of interest, has anyone made a cross compiler either for the 32-bit Plan9 or 64-bit Nix target? I have been looking a bit into the possibility of packaging the old GCC 3.0 as a cross compiler on Arch linux. At the moment my builds fail miserably since the build assumes that you build on a Plan9 host (hard links in the binutils build to i386-lucent-plan9-ar etc). A newer version (>4.6) would be cooler since it also supports the plan9 dialect of C. On the other hand, the cross compiler would just be a neat way to build legacy stuff without having to worry about having all the GNU tools on the target machine. Alternatively - would a newlib approach be a better bet to get binutils/gcc going? I have been trying to read up on it and to try to locate the syscall information I need from plan9 libc. If anyone got any pointers on how to do this, it would be appreciated :) I am a total nooob on this though (unfortunately with very little time, so my efforts are sporadic) Ps. I have an experimental PKGBUILD for nix on my machine. The basic idea I got with that one is: - static root at /opt/vx32/nix/root - changes at /opt/vx32/nix/changes - /usr/glenda moved to /home/glenda, user "glenda" added to system (directory /opt/vx32/nix/usr removed) - union mount /opt/nix/vx32/nix/root and /opt/nix/vx32/nix/changes at /mnt/nix - mount /home at /mnt/nix/usr It is not ready for public consumption yet however. - One thing I wonder there about 9vx is - can you add a command line argument to start a script in the plan9 that boots? Right now building/packaging nix requires manual intervention in the booted plan9 environment during packaging. Also, it would be nice to have a "firstrun" part in the startup script for a user so that the system executes /sys/lib/newuser. This in combination with a cross compiler would turn playing with Plan9 far easier and more fun :) From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20110916010220.5e3adb54@kolari.ethans.dre.am> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:58:43 +1000 Message-ID: From: Bruce Ellis To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] my kingdom for a web browser :-P Topicbox-Message-UUID: 22b604de-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Than you? I agree. On 16 September 2011 12:46, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: >> If you can't run your holy grail (back off about badgers) - a web >> browser > > What do you mean? =C2=A0The badgers are better conversationalists. > > --=20 Don't meddle in the mouth -- MVS (0416935147, +1-513-3BRUCEE) From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20110916010220.5e3adb54@kolari.ethans.dre.am> References: <20110916010220.5e3adb54@kolari.ethans.dre.am> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 00:52:45 -0400 Message-ID: From: L N To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300fb201a341d104ad07c31b Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 22c2c688-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --20cf300fb201a341d104ad07c31b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: > On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:41:29 -0400 > L N wrote: > > > The goal should be a Plan 9 "distro" that runs natively on AMD-64, and > can > > open a web-browser. > > That "goal" is a target moving at approximately the speed of light. > Specifically, the "open a web browser" part of it is. > > A virtualizer running on Plan 9 would waste far less time than implementing > enough Linux syscalls to run a Linux distro new enough to run any browser > newer than Opera 9. > Is running Opera on Plan 9 an option? Also, I don't know how to get abaco running. Downloaded the tarball ... http://rain.ifmo.ru/~olegfink/abaco-p9p.tgz Unpacked it, ran mk. Ran ./abaco.sh. Got this far ... ./abaco.sh ./abaco.sh: 7: webfs: not found ./abaco.sh: 10: abaco.bin: not found Apologies for being helpless. - Leonard --20cf300fb201a341d104ad07c31b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis <= eekee57@fastmail.fm> w= rote:
On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:41:29 -0400
L N <leonard= nemoi@gmail.com> wrote:

> The goal should be a Plan 9 "distro"= that runs natively on AMD-64, and can
> open a web-browser.

That "goal" is a target moving at approximately the speed o= f light. Specifically, the "open a web browser" part of it is.
A virtualizer running on Plan 9 would waste far less time than implementing= enough Linux syscalls to run a Linux distro new enough to run any browser = newer than Opera 9.

Is running Opera on Plan 9 an = option?

Also, I don't know how to get abaco running.

Downloaded the = tarball ...

http://rain.ifmo.ru/~olegfink/abaco-p9p.tgz

Unpacked it, ran m= k.

Ran ./abaco.sh.

Got this far ...

./abaco.sh
./abaco.sh= : 7: webfs: not found
./abaco.sh: 10: abaco.bin: not found
=A0
Apo= logies for being helpless.

=A0- Leonard


--20cf300fb201a341d104ad07c31b-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 References: <20110916010220.5e3adb54@kolari.ethans.dre.am> From: Anthony Sorace Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <9BF838AC-48AD-4045-8FE0-05F379B7B7F6@9srv.net> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 22:53:45 -0700 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8E600) Subject: Re: [9fans] my kingdom for a web browser :-P Topicbox-Message-UUID: 22d4d5a8-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Sep 15, 2011, at 17:31, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > None of these integrate with the native environment. I.e. I can't plumb a= URL to Firefox running under the=20 Not out of the box, no. But the plumber's remarkably flexible, and especiall= y if someone had p9p running inside your virtual environment, I'd be shocked= if that sort of cross-VM plumbing (pardon the terminology overloading) coul= dn't be done in an hour. I've done it between OS X and Plan 9 via drawterm i= n about 20 minutes, and while I do think that's a bit of an easier target, n= ot by more than an order of magnitude.= From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 09:21:17 +0200 From: David du Colombier <0intro@gmail.com> To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: <20110916092117.79cdbd8c@wks-ddc.exosec.local> In-Reply-To: References: <20110916010220.5e3adb54@kolari.ethans.dre.am> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 23040d96-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > Is running Opera on Plan 9 an option? Opera already runs fine in linuxemu. I never tried the latest versions however. /n/sources/contrib/cinap_lenrek/linuxemu3.tgz > Also, I don't know how to get abaco running. Abaco is included in Plan 9 since July 2009. To run it, type: % webcookies % webfs % abaco -- David du Colombier From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <8e582e34399166389130d8781557a59c@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 09:28:25 +0200 From: cinap_lenrek@gmx.de To: 9fans@9fans.net In-Reply-To: <20110916092117.79cdbd8c@wks-ddc.exosec.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 230a5534-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 dont forget mothra! -- cinap From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <400b2c225bcbe3763b80df5bd6d33248@hamnavoe.com> To: 9fans@9fans.net From: Richard Miller <9fans@hamnavoe.com> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 09:33:26 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20110916092117.79cdbd8c@wks-ddc.exosec.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 232bfe00-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > Abaco is included in Plan 9 since July 2009. > > To run it, type: > > % webcookies > % webfs > % abaco Or even simpler: use readweb(1) From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20110916010220.5e3adb54@kolari.ethans.dre.am> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 11:07:03 +0200 Message-ID: From: yy To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 233533ee-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 2011/9/16 Jens Staal : > - One thing I wonder there about 9vx is - can you add a command line > argument to start a script in the plan9 that boots? Yes. See 9vxp in 9vx(1). Also, have a look at acmevx in the bin directory as inspiration. -- - yiyus || JGL . From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20110916010220.5e3adb54@kolari.ethans.dre.am> From: =?UTF-8?B?QXJhbSBIxIN2xINybmVhbnU=?= Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:11:00 +0300 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] my kingdom for a web browser :-P Topicbox-Message-UUID: 233dac68-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > None of these integrate with the native environment. =C2=A0I.e. I > can't plumb a URL to Firefox running under the linuxulator. I think adding a few interoperability devices in Linux's /dev would be about an hour of work. And I don't believe in full linux environments in lguest, in general, a kernel plus a single static binary, like a browser would be enough. And it could use 9p directly, no need for a local virtual disk. --=20 Aram H=C4=83v=C4=83rneanu From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: From: "Steve Simon" Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 12:15:27 +0100 To: 9fans@9fans.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 234379ae-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > That's a very interesting point. Implementing lguest on Plan 9 would > require something like 13 "system calls". Far easier than doing the > near-400 system calls of linux correctly. At the cost of running an entire linux kernel on plan9... cinap's linuxem (with my hacks) implements 139 syscalls and seems to run most things. I haven't tried opera recently but my test environment is in-sync with the stable Debian release (squeeze). -Steve From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <9f86870c93607ae9c723883f70bcd401@quintile.net> From: "Steve Simon" Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 12:28:43 +0100 To: 9fans@9fans.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] my kingdom for a web browser :-P Topicbox-Message-UUID: 234ef40a-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > I can't plumb a URL to Firefox running under the linuxulator. I haven't tried this, but in theroy it would be easy enough to write a plan9 dbus client and a plumbing rule which would do exactly this. -Steve From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 15:43:13 +0100 From: Ethan Grammatikidis To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: <20110916154313.392aee8f@kolari.ethans.dre.am> In-Reply-To: References: <20110916010220.5e3adb54@kolari.ethans.dre.am> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] my kingdom for a web browser :-P Topicbox-Message-UUID: 2365f65a-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 17:31:32 -0700 (PDT) Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > But all of these 'solutions' mean running a foreign binary under some sort > of emulation. None of these integrate with the native environment. I.e. > I can't plumb a URL to Firefox running under the linuxulator. (Can I? If > there's a way I can't find it.) I've always assumed a plumber on one system could be made to talk to a plumber on another; in particular between p9p and p9 with one of the systems in a VM. I never actually got around to seeing how it might be done, or if it was really practical. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 15:52:13 +0100 From: Ethan Grammatikidis To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: <20110916155213.4f302d28@kolari.ethans.dre.am> In-Reply-To: References: <20110916010220.5e3adb54@kolari.ethans.dre.am> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] my kingdom for a web browser :-P Topicbox-Message-UUID: 236b9998-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 12:13:50 +1000 Bruce Ellis wrote: > If you can't run your holy grail (back off about badgers) - a web > browser - and plan9 on the same cheap ass machine Speaking of cheap-ass machines, 9vx is stable enough for me on my Atom netbook. Gv aside, it's given me less trouble than the Linux kernel underneath. I'm currently using Ron's 9vx tree. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 15:56:18 +0100 From: Ethan Grammatikidis To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: <20110916155618.7c15a9ac@kolari.ethans.dre.am> In-Reply-To: References: <20110916010220.5e3adb54@kolari.ethans.dre.am> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] my kingdom for a web browser :-P Topicbox-Message-UUID: 23715b76-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:11:00 +0300 Aram H=C4=83v=C4=83rneanu wrote: > And I don't believe in full linux environments > in lguest, in general, a kernel plus a single static binary, like a > browser would be enough. I don't think a browser can even be a static binary any more. I'm not going to try to recall exactly which bits won't statically linked; I suspect I'd get very depressed if I remembered. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 17:17:10 +0200 From: tlaronde@polynum.com To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Message-ID: <20110916151710.GA6911@polynum.com> References: <20110916010220.5e3adb54@kolari.ethans.dre.am> <20110916155618.7c15a9ac@kolari.ethans.dre.am> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110916155618.7c15a9ac@kolari.ethans.dre.am> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: Re: [9fans] my kingdom for a web browser :-P Topicbox-Message-UUID: 238a55ea-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 03:56:18PM +0100, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: > On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:11:00 +0300 > Aram H?v?rneanu wrote: > > > And I don't believe in full linux environments > > in lguest, in general, a kernel plus a single static binary, like a > > browser would be enough. > > I don't think a browser can even be a static binary any more. I'm not > going to try to recall exactly which bits won't statically linked; I > suspect I'd get very depressed if I remembered. > Last time I tried, I had to give up due to the dependencies of dependencies of dependencies... of the X11 and above dynamically shared libraries. If simplicity is the shortest path to the truth, I'm afraid I'm not convinced some people are on the right track to the truth... -- Thierry Laronde http://www.kergis.com/ Key fingerprint = 0FF7 E906 FBAF FE95 FD89 250D 52B1 AE95 6006 F40C From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20110916151710.GA6911@polynum.com> References: <20110916010220.5e3adb54@kolari.ethans.dre.am> <20110916155618.7c15a9ac@kolari.ethans.dre.am> <20110916151710.GA6911@polynum.com> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 03:36:17 +1000 Message-ID: From: Bruce Ellis To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] my kingdom for a web browser :-P Topicbox-Message-UUID: 242b92b6-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 I will personally give a cheap-ass machine to the winner of the challenge. brucee@pus-box:~$ uname -a Linux pus-box 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Sat Jun 11 14:54:10 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Lin= ux It's the black thing in the corner. It is strange that all this muck got stirred up again by the neat work perpetrated by Ron et al and nemo's cool book. Note that you are not covered by my medical insurance if you end up like rob's happy hacker. brucee On 17 September 2011 01:17, wrote: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 03:56:18PM +0100, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: >> On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:11:00 +0300 >> Aram H?v?rneanu wrote: >> >> > And I don't believe in full linux environments >> > in lguest, in general, a kernel plus a single static binary, like a >> > browser would be enough. >> >> I don't think a browser can even be a static binary any more. I'm not >> going to try to recall exactly which bits won't statically linked; I >> suspect I'd get very depressed if I remembered. >> > > Last time I tried, I had to give up due to the dependencies of > dependencies of dependencies... of the X11 and above dynamically > shared libraries. > > If simplicity is the shortest path to the truth, I'm afraid I'm not > convinced some people are on the right track to the truth... > -- > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thierry Laronde > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0http://www.kergis.com/ > Key fingerprint =3D 0FF7 E906 FBAF FE95 FD89 =C2=A0250D 52B1 AE95 6006 F4= 0C > > > --=20 Don't meddle in the mouth -- MVS (0416935147, +1-513-3BRUCEE) From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20110916151710.GA6911@polynum.com> References: <20110916010220.5e3adb54@kolari.ethans.dre.am> <20110916155618.7c15a9ac@kolari.ethans.dre.am> <20110916151710.GA6911@polynum.com> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 02:39:09 -0300 Message-ID: From: stephano zanzin To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [9fans] my kingdom for a web browser :-P Topicbox-Message-UUID: 278c1458-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Things are becoming very complex. Chromium even process C++ in the client-side, civilization is dying. On 9/16/11, tlaronde@polynum.com wrote: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 03:56:18PM +0100, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: >> On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:11:00 +0300 >> Aram H?v?rneanu wrote: >> >> > And I don't believe in full linux environments >> > in lguest, in general, a kernel plus a single static binary, like a >> > browser would be enough. >> >> I don't think a browser can even be a static binary any more. I'm not >> going to try to recall exactly which bits won't statically linked; I >> suspect I'd get very depressed if I remembered. >> > > Last time I tried, I had to give up due to the dependencies of > dependencies of dependencies... of the X11 and above dynamically > shared libraries. > > If simplicity is the shortest path to the truth, I'm afraid I'm not > convinced some people are on the right track to the truth... > -- > Thierry Laronde > http://www.kergis.com/ > Key fingerprint = 0FF7 E906 FBAF FE95 FD89 250D 52B1 AE95 6006 F40C > > > -- S. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20110916010220.5e3adb54@kolari.ethans.dre.am> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 08:43:36 -0700 Message-ID: From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 29a570ea-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Jens Staal wrote: > Alternatively - would a newlib approach be a better bet to get > binutils/gcc going? I have been trying to read up on it and to try to > locate the syscall information I need from plan9 libc. If anyone got > any pointers on how to do this, it would be appreciated :) I was unsure of the cross compiler idea. Was this to run on linux to create plan 9 binaries? If you really want to do that, just go ahead and port the plan 9 c compilers etc. to unix. I did the amd64 linker in about 10 minutes. It's very straightforward C code, far easier to port than the sort of stuff you find in the GNU world -- someone once complained on this list that Plan 9 C code was some sort of "old usage" or something -- they did not realize that was a *virtue*. The ?c would be a bit longer to do but probably not much. Then you can compile all Plan 9 code on Unix-like systems to target Plan 9. That may not be what you meant. ron From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20110916010220.5e3adb54@kolari.ethans.dre.am> From: Jens Staal Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 18:37:09 +0200 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 29b18a56-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 2011/9/19 ron minnich : > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Jens Staal wrote: > >> Alternatively - would a newlib approach be a better bet to get >> binutils/gcc going? I have been trying to read up on it and to try to >> locate the syscall information I need from plan9 libc. If anyone got >> any pointers on how to do this, it would be appreciated :) > > I was unsure of the cross compiler idea. Was this to run on linux to > create plan 9 binaries? > > If you really want to do that, just go ahead and port the plan 9 c > compilers etc. to unix. I did the amd64 linker in about 10 minutes. > It's very straightforward C code, far easier to port than the sort of > stuff you find in the GNU world -- someone once complained on this > list that Plan =C2=A09 C code was some sort of "old usage" or something -= - > they did not realize that was a *virtue*. The ?c would be a bit longer > to do but probably not much. Then you can compile all Plan 9 code on > Unix-like systems to target Plan 9. > > That may not be what you meant. > > ron > > Actually it was the complete opposite that I wanted :) The aim I had was basically to compile legacy lunix applications for Plan9 on a lunix host. For hobby development such a cross compiler + 9vx could be a really nice environment to cut your teeth on while figuring out the right way to do things. I have been playing with trying to compile some legacy lunix applications under APE with or without the old gcc (anyone else experience a crashed 9vx when you try to use gcc?). Often stuff fail due to configure scripts expecting GNU sed, autoconf etc (the gmake port works nicely!)... I guess the "right" way would be to try to dig through what they want to do and make a real mk file to compile it instead, but I hoped for a lazier approach ;) So what I was thinking (perhaps naively) was first to "just" compile the ported gcc/binutils (/n/sources/extra/gcc) (which should have all the executeable information for Plan9 in it) + the GCC-ified APE libs on Linux as a cross compiler for Plan9 (and thus NOT have to worry about porting all of GNU to APE first...). After trying to learn about cross compilers I saw this thing about newlib, where it seems like you can make a cross compiler suspiciously easily [1, 2]. But as I said previously. I am a complete noob on this and unfortunately very limited time to actually make it work, but if someone got something similar done before (I suppose the initial GCC port was cross compiled from a lunix host of some kind?), it would be interesting to get it working (and preferrably on an "as modern" version of GCC as possible). [1] http://wiki.osdev.org/Porting_Newlib [2] http://wiki.osdev.org/Boomstick From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: From: Charles Forsyth Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 18:50:01 +0100 To: 9fans@9fans.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 29cce0f8-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 i thought it was great that something called "newlib" would still have to implement a function called "isatty" From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 20:10:20 +0200 From: tlaronde@polynum.com To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Message-ID: <20110919181020.GA2297@polynum.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 29d37120-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 06:50:01PM +0100, Charles Forsyth wrote: > i thought it was great that something called "newlib" would still have > to implement a function called "isatty" This has always been the problem with "new": it doesn't last... Same goes for something dated "today"... -- Thierry Laronde http://www.kergis.com/ Key fingerprint = 0FF7 E906 FBAF FE95 FD89 250D 52B1 AE95 6006 F40C From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: erik quanstrom Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 14:21:08 -0400 To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: <34aadbcf60d7ef71f05501cc882ad4fa@coraid.com> In-Reply-To: <20110919181020.GA2297@polynum.com> References: <20110919181020.GA2297@polynum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 29ed26ce-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Mon Sep 19 14:08:02 EDT 2011, tlaronde@polynum.com wrote: > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 06:50:01PM +0100, Charles Forsyth wrote: > > i thought it was great that something called "newlib" would still have > > to implement a function called "isatty" > > This has always been the problem with "new": it doesn't last... Same > goes for something dated "today"... doing is always dated today. - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <6e1e5c5e4b13a6d89b976b1651f4d382@hamnavoe.com> To: 9fans@9fans.net From: Richard Miller <9fans@hamnavoe.com> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 21:32:50 +0100 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 2a04dcf6-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > just go ahead and port the plan 9 c > compilers etc. to unix Already done. The inferno distribution contains, in /utils, all the Plan 9 xa, xc, xl (for x in [012568kv]) compilable by gcc. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6e1e5c5e4b13a6d89b976b1651f4d382@hamnavoe.com> References: <6e1e5c5e4b13a6d89b976b1651f4d382@hamnavoe.com> From: Jens Staal Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 05:20:44 +0200 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 2a43c47a-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 2011/9/19 Richard Miller <9fans@hamnavoe.com>: >> just go ahead and port the plan 9 c >> compilers etc. to unix > > Already done. =C2=A0The inferno distribution contains, in /utils, all > the Plan 9 xa, xc, xl (for x in [012568kv]) compilable by gcc. Would this be possible to use for a cross compiler with a Plan9 target? A kencc port (preferably including the APE pcc) as a cross compiler on a lunix host could potentially also be interesting if it would work. I guess this port [1] might be a good starting point? Any pointers on how it would be done? [1] http://code.google.com/p/ken-cc/ From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: To: 9fans@9fans.net From: Richard Miller <9fans@hamnavoe.com> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:07:44 +0100 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Nemo book Topicbox-Message-UUID: 2ab04384-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 >> Already done.  The inferno distribution contains, in /utils, all >> the Plan 9 xa, xc, xl (for x in [012568kv]) compilable by gcc. > > Would this be possible to use for a cross compiler with a Plan9 > target? This *is* a cross compiler with a Plan 9 target. It generates Plan 9 binaries, which may be commands (to run under Plan 9 or 9vx) or bootable files (e.g. kernels for Plan 9 or inferno, or stand-alone programs for embedded hardware). > I guess this port [1] might be a good starting point? > > [1] http://code.google.com/p/ken-cc/ That isn't a "port", it's just the same xa,xc,xl utils referred to above, removed from the inferno distribution and placed in their own self-contained package.