From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 11:30:16 -0600 From: Eric Van Hensbergen To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Plan 9/Inferno Birds of a Feather at OSDI: Summary Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1211705e-eace-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 Okay, I'm a really bad person and didn't take any sort of good notes on things. I apologize in advance for omissions and misinterpretations. There was maybe a dozen or so people that attended the BoF, but we were fortunate to have lots of folks who have worked or are actively working on Plan 9. As far as new stuff, I think the most exciting piece was Ron's discussion (and demonstration) of his Xen Plan 9 port. Overall it seems much snappier than vmware and Ron is actively working to get the code released. In addition to the discussion and demo, there was some discussion on hypervisors, para-virtualization and why this is a good thing for Plan 9. I talked a bit about progress with v9fs (Linux support for 9P2000), and it seemed like the general consensus that this combined with Russ' plan9port applications are a really good thing. I also talked a bit about the stuff that I'm doing as part of my research - namely looking at using 9P to share resources between para-virtualized partitions. Ron Minnich talked a bit about 9grid along with talking about the status of DOE funding for 64-bit compilers and a 64-bit Opteron port. The short summary is there has been a bureaucratic snag with the funds - but hopefully it'll be straighted out real soon now and things can really get going. The general consensus on the 9grid stuff is it really needs someone to step up and kinda take ownership of doing some of the logistical overhead (setting up accounts, answering setup questions, etc.) Geoff told us a bit about 9netics and what they are working on. Sounds like he, Brucee, and Skip have found a way to be paid for working on Plan 9 stuff. As far as core Plan 9 progress goes - there seems to be a steady stream of patches and fixes going into the code. There are mechanisms to see what changes are going in on a day to day basis, but there is not always a good description of why the changes went in. I'm going to work on trying to come up with some sort of automated digest of the changes and post them to the plan9dev mailing list on a weekly basis. One of the biggest problem with the code at this point is that it has drifted out of sync with the documentation. If people are looking to help out, going over the documentation, man pages, and wiki and aligning them with reality would be a great service to the community. There was a little discussion on what happens when Lucent shuts off the lights. There seems to be a high level of confidence that all the vital pieces have been replicated by enough folks that we could have core community services (web, wiki, and more importantly sources) back up within a few days. We talked a bit about the FOAF/web-of-trust authentication model. And it seemed that folks thought that this was a bad idea. We really need to try using the existing centralized authentication facilities as a community. Let's not create problems that may or may not exist. That's about it. There was some other discussions, but memory is fuzzy. Other folks that were there please feel free to fill in any of the details I might have missed or misinterpreted. -eric