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From: Eric Van Hensbergen <ericvh@gmail.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] GSOC: Drawterm for the iPhone
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:57:09 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a4e6962a0903310757t232214b7nb78b2890f76a6a0f@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3aaafc130903310736y14125bc2j66d99b3eaaf7cdf@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:36 AM, J.R. Mauro <jrm8005@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 8:01 AM, Eric Van Hensbergen <ericvh@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The fact that rio and/or acme have a limited usage model with such a device
>> and/or multitouch in general is a shame -- wouldn't it be nice to fix that.
>
> This is a very good point. As much as I like rio, I can't help but be
> aggravated by it sometimes, and it would be nice to have someone take
> a fresh look at interacting with it and possibly solve some of the
> shortcomings.
>

I think the key here is devices like the iPhone beg a different model
-- rio and ACME were developed for graphical, mouse/keyboard setups
(with relatively large screens I might add) -- smaller devices or
devices with different models (like set top boxes or game consoles)
really require a different set of tools/apps.  I think this is one of
the things that was interesting about the Plan B approach -- different
front-ends for similar back ends.  I doubt anyone wants to use the
iphone as a developer workstation, but it might be nice to make it an
additional screen for faces, or as the student points out and
additional user-interface to someone's work environment.

As far as fixing rio and ACME, I would urge anyone looking at that to
come up with a complementary solution as opposed to messing with the
existing model.  I don't see any reason why alternative interfaces
can't co-exist which support keyboard-only interaction (ron's smackme
comes to mind as well as wmii's model) as well as multitouch on
laptops (actually the iphone's new cut/paste model might work for
multitouch trackpads -- and while not as natural as the existing
chording method might make ACME useable when one finds oneself without
a three button mouse handy).  Another avenue to pursue is looking at
using gestures to replace chords -- it seems like pinch and expand
might be natural replacements for cut and paste.  I don't think the
community or the system benefits form limiting our options (but lets
keep them options -- I still prefer chording when possible ;)

        -eric



  reply	other threads:[~2009-03-31 14:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-25 20:57 André Günther
2009-03-26  0:14 ` Federico G. Benavento
2009-03-26  0:24   ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-03-26  0:39     ` Federico G. Benavento
2009-03-26  0:54       ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2009-03-26  1:02         ` andrey mirtchovski
2009-03-26  1:07           ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2009-03-26  1:11             ` andrey mirtchovski
2009-03-26  1:21               ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2009-03-26  1:29                 ` Nathaniel W Filardo
2009-03-26  2:03                   ` Pietro Gagliardi
2009-03-26  2:07                     ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-03-26  2:42                       ` Anthony Sorace
2009-03-26  2:53                         ` Pietro Gagliardi
2009-03-26  3:09                           ` Noah Evans
2009-03-26  3:14                           ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2009-03-26  3:24                             ` Tom Lieber
2009-03-26  3:32                               ` Paul Lalonde
2009-03-26  3:31                             ` Jeff Sickel
2009-03-26  2:23                     ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2009-03-26  2:25                     ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2009-03-26  3:20                       ` Bakul Shah
2009-03-26  3:32                         ` Federico G. Benavento
2009-03-26 11:59                           ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2009-03-26 12:30                             ` Federico G. Benavento
2009-03-26 12:51                               ` Uriel
2009-03-26 13:28                                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-26 13:34                                   ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-03-26 14:43                                   ` Brian L. Stuart
2009-03-26 16:18                                     ` Akshat Kumar
2009-03-26 16:24                                       ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-26 13:16                               ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2009-03-26 13:27                                 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-03-26 16:17                           ` Bakul Shah
2009-03-26  1:31                 ` andrey mirtchovski
2009-03-26  2:01                   ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-03-26  4:36                     ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-26  2:20                   ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2009-03-26  8:33                 ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2009-03-26 18:04         ` J.R. Mauro
2009-03-26 18:22           ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2009-03-26 18:29             ` andrey mirtchovski
2009-03-26 18:39               ` Tom Lieber
2009-03-26 18:50                 ` andrey mirtchovski
2009-03-26 19:00                   ` Uriel
2009-03-26 19:14                   ` lucio
2009-03-26 19:27               ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2009-03-26 19:36                 ` andrey mirtchovski
2009-03-26 19:56                   ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2009-03-29  1:14                   ` Anant Narayanan
2009-03-30  2:51                     ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-30  3:02                       ` J.R. Mauro
2009-03-30  3:40                         ` ron minnich
2009-03-30  3:46                           ` J.R. Mauro
2009-03-30 14:08                             ` Anthony Sorace
2009-03-31  4:26                               ` Uriel
2009-03-31  4:36                                 ` Jack Johnson
2009-03-31  4:57                                   ` Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan
2009-03-31  6:00                                     ` Uriel
2009-03-31  6:22                                       ` Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan
2009-03-31  6:24                                       ` André Günther
2009-03-31  6:42                                         ` Federico G. Benavento
2009-03-31 20:51                                           ` David Leimbach
2009-03-31  7:33                                         ` yy
2009-03-31  7:36                                         ` Uriel
2009-03-31  9:14                                           ` Noah Evans
2009-03-31 12:01                                       ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2009-03-31 14:36                                         ` J.R. Mauro
2009-03-31 14:57                                           ` Eric Van Hensbergen [this message]
2009-03-31 15:02                                             ` J.R. Mauro
2009-03-31 15:09                                             ` Fco. J. Ballesteros
2009-03-31 11:52                                   ` Charles Forsyth
2009-03-26 18:39             ` J.R. Mauro
2009-03-26 19:35               ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2009-03-26 19:57                 ` Charles Forsyth
2009-03-26 19:54                   ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2009-03-26 21:22                 ` Pietro Gagliardi
2009-03-26 21:26                   ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-03-28  1:21                   ` Uriel
2009-03-28  2:02                     ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2009-03-26  7:32 ` André Günther
2009-03-26 10:42   ` Pietro Gagliardi
2009-03-26 11:59     ` hiro

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