From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20090417194357.GB3103@polynum.com> References: <57928816a76e769327ca134d7e28bd06@bellsouth.net> <404df7e5d05c5ae6057ea214164f0d0d@quintile.net> <20090417194357.GB3103@polynum.com> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:14:32 -0500 Message-ID: From: Eric Van Hensbergen To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years Topicbox-Message-UUID: e38ea4de-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 2:43 PM, wrote: > On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 08:16:40PM +0100, Steve Simon wrote: >> I cannot find the reference (sorry), but I read an interview with Ken >> (Thompson) a while ago. >> > > My interpretation of cloud computing is precisely the split done by > plan9 with terminal/CPU/FileServer: a UI runing on a this Terminal, with > actual computing done somewhere about data stored somewhere. > That misses the dynamic nature which clouds could enable -- something we lack as well with our hardcoded /lib/ndb files -- there is no provisions for cluster resources coming and going (or failing) and no control facilities given for provisioning (or deprovisioning) those resources in a dynamic fashion. Lucho's kvmfs (and to a certain extent xcpu) seem like steps in the right direction -- but IMHO more fundamental changes need to occur in the way we think about things. I believe the file system interfaces While not focused on "cloud computing" in particular, the work we are doing under HARE aims to explore these directions further (both in the context of Plan 9/Inferno as well as broader themes involving other platforms). For hints/ideas/whatnot you can check the current pubs (more coming soon): http://www.research.ibm.com/hare -eric